Israel,Goldstone and what is next?

So the report that was used as a unifier to garner resentment,hate and or total disapproval of Israel in 09 is now to be disregarded? BBC

Goldstone issues the equivalent to an international Ooopps! and that’s good?

I don’t blog about Israel much nor have I ever fully disclosed my opinions of Israel the Palestinians, Middle East, and the USA.

With that said I think Israel would be well advised to keep their eyes wide open and look before they leap.

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51 Comments

  1. bvilleyellowdog says:

    The real news is this:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/03/world/middleeast/03mideast.html

    The US has generally been unhelpful re Israel and the Palestinians. Either doing nothing, or not enough or in the case of the regressives pandering to the worst of the Zionist neocons and the end of times bible thumpers.

    Time has now almost run out…. just ask Mubarak

  2. Alfie says:

    That isn’t news actually and I touched upon that in two previous posts. If/when that goes ahead it will mean war.

  3. bvilleyellowdog says:

    LOL – I doubt it. Israel against the world??? Not for long.
    The party is over – either the Israelis get real and quit acting like thugs or they are toasted.
    Tick Tock….

  4. Alfie says:

    Wow you are too much. It won’t be the world Israel will go up against.

  5. bvilleyellowdog says:

    Really now? The number of supporters is close to zero for thier Zionist neocon crap.
    You think the US will rush to thier aid if they invade the Country of Palestine?
    No chance.

  6. Alfie says:

    How obtuse are you?
    You think the US will rush to thier aid if they invade the Country of Palestine?
    I think the US will not abstain or vote yea on any UN Security Council action. I don’t think the World would or could enforce an ICC decision on Israel. I don’t think elements of the Palestinian people could resist striking against Israel in a two state scenario and that Israel would gladly act in unilateral fashion to defend itself. Further I have no doubt Hezbollah would charge out of Lebanon and the Iranians would rally and therefore you get exactly what I posted about in the WWIII scenarios post.

  7. bvilleyellowdog says:

    Wow – delusional much… shades of that pig Bolton.
    Or is is one of those end of timers? I don’t follow them.
    “Just like you predicted” What a hoot.

  8. Alfie says:

    Dog how am I delusional. Stating facts dude. The House has already moved to assure the US vetoes any UN action against Israel. The EU is playing with the Palestinians. The South American countries that have renewed their recognition of a sovereign Palestinian state have two nations of some import amongst them but it is hardly earth shattering diplomacy affot.
    As far as my prediction….yeah I’m willing to think things out,review history and take a jump in2 a possible scenario.

  9. Alfie says:

    Oh yeah as far as being an end timer etc. I don’t have a dog in this one Dog. Since I fervently subscribe to my mantra of Sovereignty Matters whether one wipes the other off the face of the planet is of no concern to me. I only want others not to go down the drain with either,especially the USA.

  10. Tex Taylor says:

    Alfie, I’ve got a half way serious question I’ve always wanted to ask you.

    Do you actually understand Dawg’s criticisms, complaints and responses concerning your issues? Or are you forced to try and gather from a few words the complaint and interpretable meaning? Because most of the time, Dawg’s posts so incoherent and without lucidity, I can’t even understand the premise of his responses.

    I can predict with 100% accuracy where Dawg’s opinion will fall, accompanied by the usual idiocy of rethug, repug, regressive, tick tock, dustmite, or Faux News adjectives.

    I’ve always thought we were dealing with somebody not entirely in control of all the faculties, but maybe it’s just the cryptic writing. 😐

  11. Alfie says:

    Well you know I do try to be polite so I try to have a dialog with whoever shows up. I find Dog to be committed to his ideas but unwilling to enter into fair & honest discussion.Just slash and burn type stuff. He is adamant about labeling too and I’m at a loss there.

  12. bvilleyellowdog says:

    “The House has already moved to assure the US vetoes any UN action against Israel.”
    The House does not set any foreign policy – or any other policy by themselves – they are deluded – repeatedly.
    They keep crowing about all they have passed – they have not passed squat.
    The government has 3 branches….

    Meanwhile the zionists are flushing themselves down the drain….
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/05/world/middleeast/05mideast.html
    They have had many many chances – and have been too stupid to take them.

  13. Alfie says:

    Actually if I recall the UN thing is a line item in HR1 and will be a line item in almost any legislation put into the pike. Just saying dog.
    I’m not taking a position per se on it,just saying there are things afoot.
    Thanks for a good comment,knew you had it in ya.

  14. Tex Taylor says:

    Well, you’re a solid guy Alfie. I admire your patience and willingness to dig for some meaning.

    I’m probably too quick to discount the loons, because patience is not my virtue. 😉

  15. bvilleyellowdog says:

    HR1 was dead before the House ever passed it….. DUH. Dead the day it was introduced… Get it?
    The rethug budget has zero chance – nor does any lame rider.
    I can hardly wait for the Ryan thing to come out – teabagger hari kari that one.
    Let the delusions flow…
    Israel is a short time unless it changes it’s tune in a hurry.

  16. Alfie says:

    Well to each his own when it comes to opinions and hopes Dog. HR1 is symbolism with lineage to reconciliation in some ways I think. Time will tell,I am actually pleased Obama is getting personally invested in things with the announced talks this week to avoid a shutdown. I’ve said it before,this isn’t the Clinton era.
    Gotta ask you a question since its your yard.
    Do the Democrats need Obama or vice versa or what?

  17. bvilleyellowdog says:

    HR1- is nowhere but rethug delutionism. Don’t fool yourself.. And some rider about the Middle East means nothing.
    The teabaggers are going to drag Boner into a shut down – it is clear where the blame will go….
    Those teabaggers are really really helpful – to Democrats. Exposes the rethugs for just how sick they really really are. They are like other GOPers – just more honest about thier thuggery.

  18. Tex Taylor says:

    Is delutionism like strategery? Dawg speaks in a language that I’m not familiar. I can’t help but picture Dawg in the theater of my mind. It’s like punishment.

  19. bvilleyellowdog says:

    Meanwhile the rethugs walk right into the Ryan buzz-saw. They will very soon regret this day.

  20. bvilleyellowdog says:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/05/world/middleeast/05israel.html

    A bit of sanity? Hope so – but I doubt it.

  21. bvilleyellowdog says:

    http://www.nationaljournal.com/columns/off-to-the-races/charlie-cook-warning-signs-among-the-gop-20110404

    Regressives mapping thier own wishes onto the voters – but it isn’t so.

  22. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    “The teabaggers are going to drag Boner into a shut down”

    Barack Obama is who is dragging us into a shut down with his veto pen.

    And Democrats are who is dragging us into a shutdown by not making the budget 7 months ago when they were supposed to.

    Democrats are eager for a shutdown so they can blame it on the GOP, even though it will be their doing on multiple levels. And I suspect that you are right that they will regret what the democrats have irresponsibly forced them into, because US voters are ignorant.

  23. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    Dog, since you refuse to give us your perspective on our military action in Libya, maybe you can muster the stones to discuss why the budget wasn’t passed in October?

    What do you think about the fact that this year’s budget was not passed last year?

  24. bvilleyellowdog says:

    Take your regressive framing somehere else…
    Ryan’s DOA budget is full of framing.
    “Medicare is another “‘welfare mama” deal”
    Well no it’s not.
    #1 beneficiary is the elderly – he wants the bill to fall directly on YOU for Grannie – your very own family death panel – awesome.
    #2 poor children who had the audacity to be born to poor parents. Many of whom could not get proper birth control assistance.

    Any regressive House member who is up for election next year should be shaking with fear – wait – they all are!!!
    Those town hall meetings are going to make for lots of great utube video. Grannie beating the shit out of representative moneybagger.

  25. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    I am not framing anything. I am asking your opinion on the fact that this year’s budget was not passed last year.

    Do you have an opinion on that?

  26. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    Its hilarious that democrats have put their supporters in such a terrible position that merely asking them their opinion on issues is seen as framing.

  27. bvilleyellowdog says:

    framing framing….your only “trick” – it’s stale – learn a new trick.

  28. bvilleyellowdog says:

    why was nothing passed last year? – Party of NO – remember that? – no of course not – just like newt does not remember anything about his past.

  29. Alfie says:

    Dog frame this…you are lame. You’ve been pwned

  30. bvilleyellowdog says:

    Poor teabaggers – pathetic to see the ignorant so taken advantage of…
    Some actully think they earned what they have.
    No – the two most highly correlated factors to wealth are
    1) where they were born
    2) the wealth of thier parents……

    You “earned it” BULL.
    Tell those hard working Asians about that…

  31. Tex Taylor says:

    Dawg, it is hard to take you seriously in any conversation when you can’t spell “their” right and have been corrected countless times. 😈 I don’t know if you have some learning disability, or just a bunch of screws loose.

    You undoubtedly must have been unteachable as a child. We know you’re beyond hope now, but there must have been a time somebody could have reached you, taught you, nurtured you.

    Now, you’re such a lost cause and tool you could garner some sympathy from a few, but so woefully stupid, partisan and venal, it’s impossible to empathize.

  32. Alfie says:

    OK I’ll tell the Asians all about it. Should I start witht he NYC based Korean green grocers who in less than a generation have moved on to bigger and better things and whose kids go to Colombia instead of back breaking work at that produce markets?

  33. bvilleyellowdog says:

    Why do regressives hate America?

    Now they are going to shut down the govenment and stop paying the troops.
    …and if those grocers were in Vietnam or Korea they would still be planting rice. Thanks for making my point.

  34. Alfie says:

    The point I was making was about American exceptionalism. I confess I assumed you were doing the typical liberal whining thing,not going international.
    As far as the shutdown you have bought into the lies. there are rules and it doesn’t affect the troops.

  35. Alfie says:

    But that the damning charge that civilians were intentionally targeted does indeed seem to be off the table and that has been reiterated by Goldstone. This means all actions following from the diplomatic cesspool that is the UN seems invalid up to and including pursuing war crime charges via the Security Council,since the crime of intentionally attacking civilians is void.

  36. Alfie says:

    The more I read some of your comments the more I’m awestruck by your inanity. South Koreans????????? Not too shabby wiki

  37. bvilleyellowdog says:

    lol…facts are facts in spite of regressive wishes….

  38. bvilleyellowdog says:

    Gaza is one big Jewish atrocity…. Shameful. An they wonder why people are angry?
    Palestine NOW.

  39. Alfie says:

    lol…facts are facts in spite of regressive wishes….
    WTF????!!!!! You have to expand on that!!!!

  40. bvilleyellowdog says:

    Alfie says:No really when I said you have to expand on your previous comment I really meant it.

  41. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    I wish I could get away with stuff just by saying “I looked into it and decided that I did nothing wrong.”

  42. why was nothing passed last year? – Party of NO – remember that? – no of course not – just like newt does not remember anything about his past. – The Bitch

    Bullshit and you know it. The Dems had overwhelming power in both the House and the Senate- they didn’t do it because they knew:

    1) that they were going to lose in November;

    2) that they wanted a gov shutdown because they thought it would help them politically;

    3) that passing a budget would expose the massive amounts of spending they were doing.

    Listen, if you want to buy into the bullshit, go for it, but at least know what you’re eating…

  43. bvilleyellowdog says:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/07/world/middleeast/07palestinians.html

    The Palestinian State gets closer….

    And the regressives don’t remember last year. “We have always been at war with East Asia”
    And if we have to edit history we to make it so we will.

  44. And if we have to edit history we to make it so we will.

    So you’re admitting you lie about history?

  45. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    “why was nothing passed last year? – Party of NO – remember that?”

    No. I don’t remember that. I’ll bet Steny Hoyer doesn’t remember that, either.

    At least he shouldn’t. Because this is what he had to say about the issue last June when he was the House Majority Leader:

    “House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer said today that Congress will not pass a traditional budget resolution this year because long-term deficit questions are better left to President Obama’s bipartisan deficit commission, an 18-member panel charged with creating a plan to bring down the deficit to 3 percent of the economy by 2015.

    “It isn’t possible to debate and pass a realistic, long-term budget until we’ve considered the bipartisan commission’s deficit-reduction plan, which is expected in December,” he said. “I believe that Congress must take up and vote on that plan.”

    That’s checkmate, pal.

  46. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    Even CNN isn’t buying your bullshit, dog….

    “President Obama first proposed a budget for fiscal year 2011 on Feb. 1, 2010. That was 431 days ago.

    If the process worked as designed, Congress would have taken a look at the president’s suggestions. Lawmakers on the budget committees would have set target spending levels, and appropriations committees would have hammered out spending plans to fit.

    The result was supposed to be 12 separate appropriations bills. Congress would have voted on each, and moved them to the president’s desk. That’s all supposed to happen by Oct. 1, the start of the fiscal year.
    Lots of talk, no action

    Here’s what Congress did manage to do: The House produced two of 12 appropriations bills. The Senate has not voted on a single one. Lawmakers couldn’t even agree on their own legislative budget.
    0:00 /07:43How to cure U.S. budget ‘stupidity’

    And those two House votes? They happened way back in July, when Democrats had huge majorities in the House and Senate, with Obama in the White House.

    Why Democrats failed to take more action when they had the chance remains somewhat of a mystery. Remember, this is the same Congress that moved heaven and earth to enact landmark health care and Wall Street reform laws.”

    Of course, the question why is anything but a mystery. It was obvious then that dems wanted to put the budget onto the party they knew was going to control the House this year. And now their political games are putting our country at risk.

    Its dems who don’t care about the children our funding feed.
    Its dems who don’t care about the old folks our funding medicate.
    And its dems who don’t care about the troops our funding pay, feed, and arm.

  47. bvilleyellowdog says:

    Its dems who don’t care about the children our funding feed. <<<LIE
    Its dems who don’t care about the old folks our funding medicate.<<<LIE
    And its dems who don’t care about the troops our funding pay, feed, and arm.<<<LIE

    If you are going to lie be less bald faced about it. tyvm.

  48. bvilleyellowdog says:

    want a quick 21.7 Billion? – collect taxes due.

  49. Alfie says:

    Dog please expand on your previous comment as asked. Also note comments without their obvious linkage will be deleted.

  50. Alfie says:

    So given the fact that I have the last say when and if I so choose here goes.
    On a very post related line.
    The minor murmurs of international recognition of a sovereign Palestinian state is just that. Minor. The whole concept is also wrought with real world impacts.
    First the World Bank. In their observations that Gaza has the chance to show they are building “institutions.” This is good and long standing. Contrary to the one vision plastered internationally Gaza actually has functioning schools,hospitals,pool,malls etc etc.
    The IMF is pretty much the same dealeo. To admit the Palestinians are doing well enough they have to admit they are not that bad off today.
    This doesn’t mean there are not every day hardships and disparities in Gaza and the West Bank.
    The Eu is looking to assert its international credit, they do not have the power though to bet the Russians or Americans on the avenue that ultimately matters. The UN Security Council.
    Failure of negotiations is still a wide open variable. people seem to forget the history. I don’t care about either side really but I’ve been conditioned as a citizen of the world to know that some things that are on the agenda are very much immovable objects. Settlements and right of return being two biggies.
    The ICC…..mmmppphhh now that is too funny. Tell ya what let me see them say something about the recent grab of a Palestinian from Ukraine and perhaps I’ll believe they could adjudicate something against Israel. Remember what the c’s stand for in ICC.

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