In2the Conversation we wanted? or perhaps just the one we deserve…

I’ve been re-funked recently for a few reasons.

#1. The jobbie job is kicking my ass.

#2. The p.o.s. Intex pump on my pool crapped out like a week out of warranty*.

#3. The way the nation is.

This post will only look at number three and only in the quickest manner possible and in keeping with the title.

On the issue of race and racism I quite frankly find the center right superior both in terms of honesty and sincerity. With that said though they have collectively failed to live up to my expectations whence they have the opportunity to point out the devils amongst them. Blue eyed or otherwise the center right fer sure has racists circling in the waters and they should indeed be gaffed and clubbed mercilessly.

The center left on the other hand have been shamelessly shouting from the roof tops about the flames of racism in the center rights house with complete disregard to the conflagration on their side.

i don’t know where I stand today regards the case of USDA racist Shirley Sherrod. I think NAACP’s Jealous has been afforded a great opportunity which he has not failed to grasp. I am less cynical of the spin he is putting out than many others on my end of the poli-spectrum. I do find the whole house of cards rather fishy though.
The flip side of this is that the media has been caught red freaking handed on the issue of race baiting and Obama news sterilization. I guess the latter could be seen as being racist in a way.

So here I sit with various factions looking to lie,yell and otherwise bullshit the country,our leaders completely hands off, and still wondering where and with whom I”ll find myself sitting across from when it finally comes time to have the conversation on race and racism in America.

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241 Comments

  1. Alfie says:

    *= that I have an entire series of posts titled America Sucks! that I will explore a number of things that are pissing me off about this country.Crappy products and the idiocy of store stocking will be one of them.

  2. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    I agree, Alfie. The way this supposed conversation on race has been going lately, it brings us right back to Holder’s claim that we are all cowards for not wanting to have it.

  3. Tex Taylor says:

    Huck,

    I was somewhat perplexed that Holder, who deserves to be summarily canned for stupidity and incompetence, was chastised for his comment about cowards and racism.

    On that one issue, and one issue only, I actually agreed with Holder – maybe for different reasons as I think Holder has a tinge of cracker hatin’ – but he was right that we as a nation refuse to have an honest conversation about race.

    But when you’ve got shills like Graychin, Hippie and Rutherford saying blacks can’t be racist, how in the word do you have an honest conversation about race? I never get bent when someone calls me racist, because the charges are so bogus. However, most people are more scared to be called racist than traitor.

  4. Alfie says:

    Tex it is something else when members of the Fourth Estate,who as a rule are the loudest in the denial camp re media bias get caught like this.
    When you say However, most people are more scared to be called racist than traitor. you’re not far off base at all. It’s a label that sticks and dogs a person who is in the public light.
    I really am sick of people pulling the racist card out of the deck whenever I disapprove of an Obama action or policy.
    I wonder if anyone is truly concerned about cheapening the words racism and racist to the point that they lose their true meaning and importance?!

  5. Tex Taylor says:

    Alfie,

    No doubt – double standard deluxe edition. I posted that very link over at Hippie’s this morning. As you know, rule #1 states that no lefty is capable of “racism”, no matter how tacit.

    Ask me, white elitists on the left are the most racist group in America today.

  6. Alfie says:

    @Tex
    absolutely if there is truly a modern day plantation boss it has a (D) at the end of its name. I have not had as much exposure to Red States or even counties etc. I have extensive history in very Blue locations.

  7. graychin says:

    Alfie – before you swallow the Breitbart version of the Sherrod affair, dig a little deeper. It looks like another case of Faux right-wing outrage to me.

    http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2010/07/20/in-the-curious-case-of-shirley-sherrod-lets-see-the-whole-tape/

  8. graychin says:

    From what I have read so far, Vilsack should giver Sherrod her job back and apologize to her.

  9. Tex Taylor says:

    HAW HAW HAW!

    Man, it’s good to watch the NAALCP get a taste of what they’ve been doing for 40 years. Libs are jumping through hoops to cover their ass after being snookered. I love watching frauds have fraud pulled on them. 😆

    Rank propagandist skanks like Butch Madcow and scumbags like Graychin now are getting a taste of their own medicine. How’s Bongo going to handle it Paul Bunyan?

  10. Elric66 says:

    “absolutely if there is truly a modern day plantation boss it has a (D) at the end of its name.”

    Hell they were the old fashion plantation bosses and the ones that opposed the Civil Rights’s Act.

  11. Alfie says:

    Actually I think all sides including Sherrod have come to grips with where her unethical and racist inner self have lead her to.
    I am happy with her dismissal and I am even happy that the NAACP head Ben Jealous has taken a position he has.
    If we fail to be fully honest in this area we will never Overcome.

  12. Elric66 says:

    “I am happy with her dismissal and I am even happy that the NAACP head Ben Jealous has taken a position he has.”

    Still waiting for them taking a stand against the NAACP chapter that refused to help a black Tea Party member because he “wasnt black enough”.

  13. Alfie says:

    I have seen some things about that story that has really upset me,well virtually anyway. Although I think the union goons laid him out the whole walking one day wheelchair the next has turned me off.

  14. Elric66 says:

    Alfie,

    Doesnt matter if he exaggerated the injuries which I am not condoning. Two disgraceful things went on with that. One, it was al-Thuggy’s goons that assaulted him and yelled racial slurs and two, the NAACP said they wouldnt help him because “he wasnt black enough” and called him an Uncle Tom, not that he exaggerated his injuries.

  15. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    No, the tape is bullshit. Even the farmer in question defends her. Beck and Krauthammer agree she should get her job back.

    Breibart’s a lying asshole.

  16. Elric66 says:

    He didnt call for her to get fired. I think its funny actually. She is still a racist. If a white guy said “you people” and “your kind” he would be a pariah.

    Anyway here is al-Thuggys mentor yucking it up with the NAACP.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4K1TCVruew&feature=player_embedded

  17. graychin says:

    Actually I think all sides including Sherrod have come to grips with where herunethical and racist inner self have lead her to. I am happy with her dismissal and I am even happy that the NAACP head Ben Jealous has taken a position he has. If we fail to be fully honest in this area we will never Overcome.

    Alfie, I trust that we will see that you are big enough and honest enough to have disowned this statement by the end of the day on Wednesday. Based on ALL the facts, and not just on the Breitbart / Faux hitjob on Sherrod.

    The NAACP has already retracted its condemnation of Sherrod, claiming that they were “snookerd” by Brietbart. (But it WAS Brietbart, you morons – fool me once, shame on you, fool me … fool me… )

    As of 8:00 AM, it looks like Vilsack is going to have to apologize to Sherrod and offer her back her job. I hope she tells him to take her job and shove it. Vilsack is the moron who deserves to be fired over “Sherrodgate.”

  18. graychin says:

    Elric –

    I never follow any of your many links, never read any of your many long paste jobs, and never watch any of your many videos, embedded or otherwise. And I respond only very rarely to the substance of your comments – even on the rare occasions when they actually contain substance.

    Learn to live with it.

    (Alfie – comment policy?)

  19. Elric66 says:

    (Mary Frances Berry – Politico)- Tainting the tea party movement with the charge of racism is proving to be an effective strategy for Democrats. There is no evidence that tea party adherents are any more racist than other Republicans, and indeed many other Americans. But getting them to spend their time purging their ranks and having candidates distance themselves should help Democrats win in November. Having one’s opponent rebut charges of racism is far better than discussing joblessness.

    http://www.politico.com/arena/perm/Mary_Frances_Berry_91E3D9D5-C40D-440C-9D48-1C50CBC60C87.html

    So in other words, they race bait like the cowardly drones do here.

  20. Elric66 says:

    (Alfie – comment policy?)

    Pussy.

  21. Elric66 says:

    “Learn to live with it.”

    Well if you can learn to live as a coward because you cant defend your party’s racism, knock yourself out.

  22. Elric66 says:

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    Jacobs, Jeff Jones, Gerry Long, Home Machtinger, Jim Mellen,
    Terry Robbins, Mark Rudd and Steve Tappis.

    From /New Left Notes/, June 18, 1969

    I. International Revolution

    The contradiction between the revolutionary peoples of Asia, Africa and
    Latin America and the imperialists headed by the United States is the
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    Lin Piao, Long Live the Victory of People’s War!

    People ask, what is the nature of the revolution that we talk about-

    Who

    will it be made by, and for, and what are its goals and strategy-

    http://www.archive.org/stream/YouDontNeedAWeathermanToKnowWhichWayTheWindBlows_925/weather_djvu.txt

    The blueprint for al-Thuggy and his marxist revolutionaries. Read it all. It applies to whats going on and what has gone on.

  23. Tex Taylor says:

    Elric –

    I never follow any of your many links (because I have no answer for them and can’t even dream up a good lie).

    I guess old, demented Graychin is forgetting the fact it was the “WHITEHOUSE” that demanded Sherrod’s resignation – on the highway, nonetheless. Three phone calls with a request for immediate resignation. But we couldn’t expect Graychin’s heroes to be asked to apologize too, could we?

  24. Tex Taylor says:

    Before we make this fine lady into a saint, there’s a few things everyone should know about Ms. Sherrod – the first that she’s a well known race hustling thief married to a 60s radical.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/07/forty_acres_a_mule_sherrod_sty.html

  25. graychin says:

    Tex, so far I have only seen reports from unnamed sources that the White House “stood behind” Vilsack. IF (big if) the White House DID initiate Sherrod’s firing, then they are spineless wonders in addition to Vilsack. That includes Obama, if he was in on the decision.

    The White House should have consulted balls-of-steel Eric Holder for advice on this one.

    Everyone involved in the hysterical reaction to the Brietbart hit piece, whoever they were, should ‘fess up and apologize – including Obama, on behalf of his entire administration.

    If Vilsack initiated the firing, then his action was outrageous. If Vilsack was ordered to fire Sherrod by the White House, then he should have resigned Saturday-Night-Massacre style before undertaking a political firing of a good employee for half-baked reasons. Either way, Vilsack has proven himself to be a worthless, spineless toady who needs to find some other line of work. But since he’s a career politician, I guess he has no useful skills.

    (Surprised you, didn’t I?)

  26. Alfie says:

    gray I agree with your last comment and think two good examples that further illustrate whats up are
    http://politics.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/alvin-felzenberg/2010/07/21/Sherrod-Gaffe-Shows-Obama-Team-Is-Inept-on-Race-Media-Criticism
    and
    http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/07/trashing-shirle.html
    The latter is slightly better due to its quick and to the pointness. the former is worth a scan.
    For my part…I will not apologize.
    Also this post was for good or bad tagged “open thread”

  27. Alfie says:

    This point still stands is the primary reason I feel I owe no apology
    If we fail to be fully honest in this area we will never Overcome.

  28. Alfie says:

    I have also just reread the post and find further reason to see where and how I’m not wrong.

  29. graychin says:

    Alfie, won’t you even retract your comment about Sherrod’s “unethical and racist inner self ” based on your learning more of the facts?

    That’s really disappointing.

    I know that this is an open thread. That isn’t the part of your comment policy that I believe was violated.

    All comments should adhere to the WordPress terms of service and should refrain from personal attacks and obscenities. Your comments are a form of communication and reflective of one’s character.

    Views of opposition are welcomed as this is consistent with the purpose of this site. Comments should focus on the post not personalities.

    Comments are subject to moderation by blog owner. Comments containing excessive language or other incendiary content are subject to : deletion,editing and blocking. I’m all for free speech however this is about communication. Rants,unrelated views and arguing on personalities can be done on your blog.

    Do you mean it or not?

  30. Elric66 says:

    “Alfie, won’t you even retract your comment about Sherrod’s “unethical and racist inner self ” based on your learning more of the facts?

    That’s really disappointing.”

    This coming from a cowardly drone who refuses to watch a video of al-Thuggys 20 year mentor mocking white people in front of a NAACP audience.

    “Do you mean it or not?”

    LOL

  31. Elric66 says:

    “From what I have read so far, Vilsack should giver Sherrod her job back and apologize to her.”

    Should your POS “president” apologize for demanding she resign? Coward.

  32. Alfie says:

    Alfie, won’t you even retract your comment about Sherrod’s “unethical and racist inner self ” based on your learning more of the facts?
    Absolutely not!
    First the story and the continued spin attached to it is still forthcoming.
    #2. Much in line with the post I believe we are going to be fed as few facts as possible thus supporting the continued media-Obama-race-asswipe loop.
    #3. I never gave Byrd or Strom a pass regards believing they changed. I am shocked she got as far as she did with the admitted biases she had.
    As for the comment policy I have deleted the ones containing P@##y. The ones holding coward stay since they a) allow themselves and the commenter to be viewed in accordance of the policy which you seem to like to paste.b) the word coward although not likely intended hails back to Holders comments of last year. c) should is a word that means what it says

  33. Elric66 says:

    Tex,

    Give it up. al-Thuggy could molest his kids like he was molested by Frank Marshal Davis and this cowardly p***y would still give him a free pass. I dont call them drones fro nothing.

  34. Tex Taylor says:

    Graychin,

    You can stop with the postering of being offended at personal attacks. The “faux” outrage is nauseating from the man who can’t handle one channel or radio personality of dissent. Gutless.

    Man up or shut up…

    Shirley Sherrod, the USDA’s former director of rural development in Georgia, said USDA deputy undersecretary Cheryl Cook called her Monday and said the White House wanted her to resign, the Associated Press reports.

    “They called me twice,” Sherrod told the AP, noting that she was driving when she received the calls. “The last time they asked me to pull over the side of the road and submit my resignation on my Blackberry, and that’s what I did.”

    Looks like your gutless boy wonder for President had one of his minions do the dirty work… 🙂

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20011099-503544.html

  35. graychin says:

    Tex, it still isn’t clear who “they” are who called Sherrod. You are assuming that it was the White House, but I still doubt that. I’m sure we will find out more after Sherrod is offered her job back -as will surely happen.

    If the White House was involved in her firing, everyone involved should apologize personally and publicly. Everyone. And you can tell them I said so.

    Here is what is odd. Yesterday “conservatives” were screaming for Sherrod’s head. Today, they are blaming the Obama Administration for firing her unjustly. And either blaming Obama for firing her himself, or blaming him for being to gutless to do it himself. Make up your minds? 😀

  36. Elric66 says:

    “And you can tell them I said so.”

    As if they care if their little pet drone said that. LMAO What an arrogant dumbass.

  37. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    I told you Breibart was full of crap.

  38. Elric66 says:

    More From Journolist Archives: Wanted Gov’t Control of Fox News, NPR Producer Wanted to See Rush Die Before Her Eyes, Bloomberg Reporter Called Tea Partiers “Brownshirts”…

    http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/21/liberal-journalists-suggest-government-shut-down-fox-news/

    Who are the real fascists drones?

  39. graychin says:

    I told you Breibart was full of crap.

    Huck – indeed you did. And you were right.

    Did anyone listen?

  40. graychin says:

    Alfie – where does “arrogant dumbass” fit into your comment policy?

    It’s not that I have tender sensibilities, or that I haven’t heard much worse. I just have this archaic belief that if a person makes a big announcement about a comment policy, he ought to actually, you know, FOLLOW it. 😕

  41. graychin says:

    Alfie, I think I overlooked one of your points:

    “should is a word that means what it says”

    When “should” is used in place of “must,” does that mean that following the policy is at the option of the commenter? Good to know, “coward”! 😀

  42. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    I think you should let the blog owner worry about when and how he enforces his rules. He doesn’t tell you how to run your blog.

  43. Elric66 says:

    Quit whining you coward. You should more worry about the DOJ playing racial politics than if I call you for what you are.

  44. Tex Taylor says:

    I think you should let the blog owner worry about when and how he enforces his rules. He doesn’t tell you how to run your blog.

    Non sequitur

    Graychin doesn’t need worry about how to enforce his blog – no one goes there to read his bullshit. We get more than enough of it here. 🙂

    But I disagree with you about Breitbart – he just did anyone not an Obama rube a big favor, proving just how racist the NAACP really is for all the world to see.

  45. Elric66 says:

    Tex,

    How come no one is talking about the NAACP and their “Uncle Tom” slur? Thats worsse than what she said and this just recently happened.

    BTW he has a blog? I didnt know that. Well I’ll let him enjoy his little drone circle jerk with his pal yellowdog.

  46. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    “But I disagree with you about Breitbart – he just did anyone not an Obama rube a big favor, proving just how racist the NAACP really is for all the world to see.”

    I maintain what I have said all along.

    If this is it, he needs more. And I believe it exists.

    But now I question if it is too late. Has he damaged his brand name to the extent that he can now only preach to the choir? Time will tell. But him admitting his mistake rather than making excuses would be a good start to moving past this.

  47. Elric66 says:

    What mistake did he make? That he released it and in matter of hours the White House fired her?

  48. Tex Taylor says:

    Huck,

    You still think that men like Graychin and Hippie Professor wouldn’t sell all of us down the river if they could? Get a gander of the politics they support.

    http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/21/liberal-journalists-suggest-government-shut-down-fox-news/

    These buffoons are fascists at their core. No matter what level Breitbart stoops, he’ll never reach the ninth level of hell that these useful idiots do to further their pathetic agenda. You damn well they are the way they are, because their personal benefactors and nothing more.

  49. Tex Taylor says:

    I think I left out a “know” as in you damn well know…in that last post. 😳

  50. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    “You still think that men like Graychin and Hippie Professor wouldn’t sell all of us down the river if they could?”

    I’ve never thought that, so how can I “still” think that?

    I already told you once, Tex. Just because I have called out Breitbart does not mean I am obligated to, or interested in, defend the indefensible asswipes at JournoList.

  51. Elric66 says:

    You could spend your energy bashing the fascist thugs at JournoLisst instead of Breitbart. You know if you think its more important.

  52. Elric66 says:

    In January The NAACP Top Leaders Held Three Day ‘Religious Summit’ With Jew-Hating Louis Farrakhan and Nation of Islam…

    http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/National_News_2/article_6729.shtml

    Just gets better.

  53. Elric66 says:

    al-Thuggy’s foot soldiers are getting more brazen everyday.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh6WbFAGdmQ&feature=player_embedded

  54. Alfie says:

    graychin I did not overlook anything.I think if anything it is you who has overlooked something.
    You are sadly falling (or perhaps you are willingly jumping) into the realm of the O-Bots.You move away from making a valid point to deflect when you are wrong,or engage those that go after you personally.Although I can appreciate the latter you seem to protest too much.
    You have a place in any given thread and you are more than welcome to it. Your place though is continuously clouded by your incessant concern over the comment policy.If I’ve connected the dots correctly you are retired or semi retired. I am not. Therefore the time I have to prune comments is very limited. The comment policy is pretty clear cut though and any given line could stand independently. Such as:
    Your comments are a form of communication and reflective of one’s character.
    So really,please,seriously,take that record off the turntable.

  55. hippieprof says:

    Wow – great to be back from vacation only to find myself being slandered in my absence….

    Tex said: You still think that men like Graychin and Hippie Professor wouldn’t sell all of us down the river if they could? Get a gander of the politics they support.

    Tex – would you consider elaborating on just what river I might be selling you down, and who the potential buyer might be?

  56. hippieprof says:

    Huck said: I told you Breibart was full of crap.

    Huck – apologies for the somewhat aggressive responses I made to you over on my blog – I hadn’t seen that you had called Breitbart out…..

    I would be nice to see some of the others over here (and elsewhere) do the same….

  57. El Tigre says:

    Try looking harder Hippie. You are guilty of the charges you are trying to level.

  58. Alfie says:

    Ya know I seem to see righties denouncing Breitbart in far more numbers than I ever saw lefties denounce any of the various Palin lies,Rather and any assorted Olbermann,Tingles stupid-a-thons.

  59. hippieprof says:

    Ya know I seem to see righties denouncing Breitbart in far more numbers than I ever saw lefties denounce any of the various Palin lies,Rather and any assorted Olbermann,Tingles stupid-a-thons.

    Alfie – you may be right – and I am pleased to see so many on the right condemning Breitbart.

    As I have said before, falsification of evidence isn’t proper on any side.

    So far, the examples offered to me of the left falsifying evidence don’t seem to reach the same level as what Brietbart did. But, that could be my bias…..

  60. Tex Taylor says:

    Tex – would you consider elaborating on just what river I might be selling you down, and who the potential buyer might be?

    Sure Professor Stalin – the River of Fascism, sometimes called 1st Amendment. That river you and your pals at Journolist wish to drown FOX News and love to bathe.

    Like this:

    http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/21/a-few-excerpts-from-journolist-journalists/7/

  61. hippieprof says:

    Professor Stalin – the River of Fascism

    Wow – Tex uses Stalin and Fascism in the same sentence to describe the same thing.

    Hint – Tex – Fascist Germany attacked Stalinist Russia….

    Sheesh….

  62. Elric66 says:

    Alfie,

    I dont see the leftists like Prof Bong condemning all those leftist “journalists”.

    Besides, what did Breibart do that was so wrong? And why do you continuing playing the left’s game where you feel you have to condemn those on the right for anything they dont like but they never return the favor.

    Ohhh and watch the whole video, maybe you will change your mind. The bitch is a racist and a race baiter.

  63. Elric66 says:

    “Hint – Tex – Fascist Germany attacked Stalinist Russia….”

    Hint. They were both socialist nations. Stop hitting the bong moron.

  64. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    “So far, the examples offered to me of the left falsifying evidence don’t seem to reach the same level as what Brietbart did. But, that could be my bias…..”

    Take a gander at this. (Don’t try and play the embedded video at that link. TP tried to hide it after it was discovered. You need to click the link at the first update. Also, make sure to click all of the links offered to get the full effect. The links are in bold.”

    I called attention to this yesterday at Rutherford’s, and except to ask about the dead-linked video, there has been no comment on it. But then, it is only proving a video by an influential lefty website was intentionally edited to prortray Tea Party racism. So why would anyone want to comment on that?

  65. Elric66 says:

    Race Played Role in Obama Car Dealer Closures
    By William Tate
    The Obama administration, already under fire for unprecedented allegations of racial bias, faces a new bias claim from a most unlikely source: one of the administration’s own inspectors general.

    Decisions on which car dealerships to close as part of the auto industry bailout — closures the Obama administration forced on General Motors and Chrysler — were based in part on race and gender, according to a report by Troubled Asset Relief Program Special Inspector General Neal M. Barofsky.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/07/race_played_role_in_obama_car.html

    There’s my comment. al-Thuggy is a racist pig.

  66. Tex Taylor says:

    Hint Professor Pravda – and you should know this along with knowing your charges of racism are still an act of a defeated party and policy…

    The theory of social fascism became accepted by the world Communist movement. Now that we’ve got the pedantic shiite out of the way and you’ve once against been exposed as a academic lightweight and tool, why don’t we return to the my charges that assholes like you would like to pull the plug on FOX News because they expose your worthless, lying ass every day?

    Or are you going to continue to dodge the obvious allegation?

  67. Tex Taylor says:

    Elric,

    Hint. They were both socialist nations. Stop hitting the bong moron.

    You got to remember – Hippie’s first and foremost a useful idiot. The words East Germany would have no meaning to the Professor because he thought the wall was something Reagan built. 🙂

  68. Elric66 says:

    Tex,

    I thought the Berlin Wall was built to keep people from crossing over to live in a socialist utopia.

  69. Tex Taylor says:

    Elric,

    I thought the Berlin Wall was built to keep people from crossing over to live in a socialist utopia.

    That’s what Hippie teaches his students at his liberal art’s college. That, the Joy of Evolution, and Random Theories for Stifling Dissent. Next year, they’ve added to the curriculum Faux News.

    I under Hippie’s classes are the most popular on campus with the body piercing crowd.

  70. No matter how sad it may seem there’s still quite a lot of racism nowadays. But we shouldn’t forget that racism was widespread even in the middle of the 20th century. So, there’s no surprise that we still have it today.

  71. Elric66 says:

    Yeah but some groups get excused for racism. Like the NAACP

  72. hippieprof says:

    Tex said: The theory of social fascism became accepted by the world Communist movement.

    Wow. So you are just going to ignore the fact that socialism is based on the concept that all people are indeed equal, while fascism is a system based on extreme nationalism and promotion of a master race? Those two views are diametrically opposed.

    Oh – the Nazi’s did “nationalize” some Jewish businesses. I suppose that makes them socialists.

  73. hippieprof says:

    Or are you going to continue to dodge the obvious allegation?

    I have been accused of trying to change the subject – but I guess it is OK for you to do that.

    Guess what. A lot of us on the left would love to see FOX shut down because indeed it is a dangerous propaganda tool. But, we also realize that we cannot legally or constitutionally shut it down. There is no serious effort to use the government to do so.

    There *is* a serious effort to steer advertisers away from FOX. The “Stop Beck” movement has indeed had quite a bit of success in driving advertisers away from Beck’s show. Nothing illegal there, of course, just good capitalism at work.

  74. hippieprof says:

    I under Hippie’s classes are the most popular on campus with the body piercing crowd.

    Tex – are your palms getting hairy? I mean, with all of the self-stimulation you do here and elsewhere…. I wonder….

  75. Tex Taylor says:

    Tex said: The theory of social fascism became accepted by the world Communist movement.

    I can point to hundreds of sources, if need be to prove this a common opinion. I’ll start with good old Wiki, but if that wont’ do, I can get far more detailed with my proof.

    At the Sixth Congress of the Comintern in 1928, the end of capitalist stability and the beginning of the “Third Period” was proclaimed. The end of capitalism, accompanied with a working class revolution, was expected, and social democracy was identified as the main enemy of the Communists. This Comintern’s theory had roots in Grigory Zinoviev’s argument that international social democracy is a wing of fascism. This view was accepted by Joseph Stalin who described fascism and social democracy as “twin brothers”, arguing that fascism depends on the active support of the social democracy and that the social democracy depends on the active support of fascism. After it was declared at the Sixth Congress, the theory of social fascism became accepted by the world Communist movement.

    Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_fascism#cite_note-0

  76. Tex Taylor says:

    There *is* a serious effort to steer advertisers away from FOX. The “Stop Beck” movement has indeed had quite a bit of success in driving advertisers away from Beck’s show. Nothing illegal there, of course, just good capitalism at work.

    Beck welcomes the challenge and it hasn’t worked. The Left is so desperate to stop Beck, that they’ve actually gone beyond boycotting the advertisers and started lying about the advertisers. That’s not capitalism – that’s fascism. 😉

    And even then Beck’s viewership continues to increase – he now dominates the time slot and in fact, is close to surpassing “The Factor” as the mostly widely viewed cable show.

    Keep trying. 🙂

  77. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    “Oh – the Nazi’s did “nationalize” some Jewish businesses. I suppose that makes them socialists.”

    Adolph Hitler ran under the National Socialist German Workers’ Party, which is commonly referred to in English as the Nazi Party.

    Still waiting on a comment about the Think Progress video.

  78. Alfie says:

    Autobahn,take over of factories,shipping etc leading up to war years on and on.

    Anyway…. it has to be stressed that true socialism has NEVER existed. There has either been social democracy or outright fascism. I would also stipulate that the former has many many interconnections with the latter.

  79. Tex Taylor says:

    Hey Alfie – was my comment to Dana@Israel deleted?

    If so, what the heck was wrong with that comment? It was certainly relevant to his/her comment and there was nothing vile or vicious in it.

  80. Elric66 says:

    “while fascism is a system based on extreme nationalism and promotion of a master race?”

    Again you prove to be a dumbass. Italy and Spain were fascists and neither promoted a master race.

    “that socialism is based on the concept that all people are indeed equal.”

    Perhaps equally miserable except for the ruling elites.

  81. Elric66 says:

    “There *is* a serious effort to steer advertisers away from FOX. The “Stop Beck” movement has indeed had quite a bit of success in driving advertisers away from Beck’s show. Nothing illegal there, of course, just good capitalism at work.”

    Sounds more like a bunch of thugs who dont like free speech and alternative views. And you jackasses promote yourselves the tolerant ones.

  82. Elric66 says:

    “I think they should but they won’t. They intended exactly what they did. “They were looking for the result they got yesterday,” she said of Fox. “I am just a pawn. I was just here. They are after a bigger thing, they would love to take us back to where we were many years ago. Back to where black people were looking down, not looking white folks in the face, not being able to compete for a job out there and not be a whole person.”

    Nahhhh…she was just an “innocent” “non racist” “victim”.

  83. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    “Still waiting on a comment about the Think Progress video.”

    Nevermind, I see we have taken that discussion elsewhere.

  84. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    “If so, what the heck was wrong with that comment? It was certainly relevant to his/her comment and there was nothing vile or vicious in it.”

    Tex, this is the “elsewhere” I was referring to regarding disappearing posts. And it has been my experience that Alfie does not delete comments outright, but rather edits out the offending portion of the comment.

  85. Alfie says:

    I have nothing showing in the spam filter,pending zone or anything Tex. I have not deleted anything lately..

  86. Elric66 says:

    Whats wrong HF? No comment on Sherrod? Dont want to admit you were wrong and owe Breitbart an apology?

  87. Alfie says:

    If Breitbart had seen the entire video and indeed was responsible for putting out the edited form HE owes everyone an apology. He also should be looking for a Soros check since he has done incalculable damage to honest right of center causes and given a super size value meal to the lefties who can’t see their own crimes but salivate at something like this..

  88. Elric66 says:

    Apology for what? I saw the whole tape and yes she is a racist. Though the tape was suppose to be about the NAACP laughing at her racist comment. But the ones who do damage to the right are apologetic RINO’s who tend to stab conservatives in the back from time to time. Perhaps you guys who should be collecting a Soros check.

  89. Alfie says:

    Well you are just wrong Elric.
    The video does indeed show a racist past which is open for debate whether one believes in reformation. The NAACP crowd was not sitting in front of a 2010 presentation though.
    These two components alone shows Andy to be an utter douchebag or else he is as stupid as he evidently hopes others are.
    The video was obviously meant to cash in on the recent NAACP dumbassery ala Tea Party denunciation. By taking a piece from the 80’s???????!!!!!!
    The irony is that the head of the group in question didn’t even recognize this and jumped the shark. The media gobbled it up along with the blogosphere. Then we have the low to no character clique that is the Obama Administration fumbling over it.
    Anyway your point that Breitbart is somehow a victim in this is insanity. Rise above! Don’t be like the douchebag lefties who are loving this incident yet refuse to admit to all the wrongs they own. (Palin lies and anything by,olberman,Tingles,TP,journolist,Huff….)

  90. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    “Whats wrong HF? No comment on Sherrod? Dont want to admit you were wrong and owe Breitbart an apology?”

    I’m afraid I am not aware of what you are talking about, Elric.

    “Though the tape was suppose to be about the NAACP laughing at her racist comment. ”

    No it wasn’t. That is a copout that is being tossed around after the fact. Go back and look at the original post to introduce the video. He was clearly targetting Sherrod. The opening paragraph makes mention of her racism. There is no mention of the audience or its reaction in the opening paragraph, where all main points are usually listed. And the word “audience” only appears twice in the 1400-word article.

  91. Elric66 says:

    “The video does indeed show a racist past which is open for debate whether one believes in reformation. ‘

    Watch the whole tape. There is a part which is current. Plus hearing her racist rant about Fox News is pretty current.

    “These two components alone shows Andy to be an utter douchebag or else he is as stupid as he evidently hopes others are.”

    And there goes the RINO stabbing in the back once again.

    “Don’t be like the douchebag lefties who are loving this incident yet refuse to admit to all the wrongs they own.”

    Sorry, you own that title

  92. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    I am not defending her by going after Breitbart. She said what she said, and she needs to defend that with whomever.

    But the facts remain that Breitbart put forth half a video, made judgments based on that half, and wanted us to do the same. Did he do that intentionally? I don’t know. What I do know is that he should have researched the video more thoroughly before he introduced it, and that there were many conservative bloggers who could tell right away the video was cut while she had more to say.

    He screwed up, and his credibility will take a severe hit over that screw-up. That he refuses to admit his error only furthers his loss of credibility, regardless of what comes out about Sherrod now.

  93. hippieprof says:

    Tex – read your own wiki article more carefully.

    First, the article tells us this:

    social democracy was identified as the main enemy of the Communists.

    and then…..

    This view was accepted by Joseph Stalin who described fascism and social democracy as “twin brothers”, arguing that fascism depends on the active support of the social democracy

    and then….. a passage you didn’t paste over:

    The term “social fascist” was used pejoratively to describe social democratic parties, anti-Comintern and progressive socialist parties, and dissenters within Comintern affiliates throughout the interwar period.

    In other words, social fascism is an ENEMY of communism.

    The “theory” adopted by the 6th congress is indeed that: Social fascism is the ENEMY. I suggest you read the wiki article you posted in some detail. The article makes it very clear that communists believed social fascists to be their enemies.

  94. hippieprof says:

    Tex said: And even then Beck’s viewership continues to increase

    Tex – I think you are citing old new from over a year ago. Beck;s ratings have fallen dramatically this year.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/fox-news-glenn-beck-ratings-down-by-30-this-year-2010-4

    The boycott has been quite successful in England – where Beck’s show now has NO sponsors.

    Boycotting advertisers – and trying to drive the public away from those advertisers – is the essence of capitalism. It is “speaking with your wallet” – you only call it fascism because you like Beck.

  95. hippieprof says:

    Huck said: Adolph Hitler ran under the National Socialist German Workers’ Party

    Sheesh. I am amazed that people think I don’t know that. Yes – the nazi fascism was called “national socialism” – but that doesn’t mean it actually has any connection to what socialism actually is. You can call yourself whatever you like – but your actions are what matter. The extreme nationalism and racism of the nazi party are the antithesis of socialism.

  96. hippieprof says:

    Alfie said: He also should be looking for a Soros check since he has done incalculable damage to honest right of center causes and given a super size value meal to the lefties who can’t see their own crimes but salivate at something like this..

    Alfie, you know very well how the political game is played these days. Each side does its very best to pain the other side in an extremely negative light. You guys are rightfully taking a hit for this one. But, don’t pretend that your side doesn’t play the same game. It was just a couple of weeks ago that your side was having a field day with the Black Panther video.

    Both sides are adept at this type of warfare. I am willing to admit that my side engages in it. I would appreciate it if you folks would admit that your side does as well.

    The sad part is that, in the end, this style of “disinformation warfare” will be destructive of our democracy. It will eventually result in a completed loss of faith in our leadership and a complete refusal to believe media reports that do not fit our preconceived notions. In fact, what do I mean that it “will” result. It is already happening.

    Once again BOTH SIDES are responsible for this.

  97. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    “Yes – the nazi fascism was called “national socialism” – but that doesn’t mean it actually has any connection to what socialism actually is.”

    It does if a society is willing to cast people out for what it percieves or claims as the common, socialistic good of those that remain. That nazis based that on race (among other things) does not mean they were not displaying national socialism. In their twisted reasoning, they just needed to clean house first.

  98. Elric66 says:

    Dont hear you bitching about the plethora of “journalist” that decided to go in the tank for al-Thuggy and shape policy.

    Thats what pisses me off about you guys. More than willing to bend to the left’s “ire” over something small and stab our own in the back but when their side does something much worse and they say nothing, you guys do nothing. Pathetic

  99. Elric66 says:

    “but that doesn’t mean it actually has any connection to what socialism actually is”

    God you are a friggin moron.

  100. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    “Dont hear you bitching about the plethora of “journalist” that decided to go in the tank for al-Thuggy and shape policy. ”

    There are a lot of things that exist that you have never seen.

    My speaking against JournoList would be one of them.

    But I will comment here and now that they are reprehensible liars, and plagerizers in some cases, who should all be exposed if it will make you feel better.

  101. Alfie says:

    Hippie the thing i’d like to see from you is along these lines….
    How about fessing up to the fallacy of self pay rape kits and book burnings in a little library.We can move on from there but only when you all fess up.
    On another note I’d love to hear of an example of real socialism that existed.

  102. Alfie says:

    Elric if people want to make my life suckier you can rest assured I will stab them. In the back,chest,face wherever….whenever.

  103. hippieprof says:

    Alfie said: Hippie the thing i’d like to see from you is along these lines….
    How about fessing up to the fallacy of self pay rape kits and book burnings in a little library.We can move on from there but only when you all fess up.

    To be honest, I am not sure what I am being asked to fess up to here… can you clarify?

  104. Alfie says:

    Do you concede the Left were all over the story of Palin banning books in the Wasilla library?
    http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/bannedbooks.asp
    Or the half truth phantom story of rape kit charges?
    I’m not gonna hold you accountable for the entire Left. that is as unfair as it is silly. All I’m saying is that regards both sides doing it….well it seems to me that one side gets a pass.

  105. hippieprof says:

    Alfie said: I’m not gonna hold you accountable for the entire Left.

    Thank you – I appreciate that. 😉

    As far as the story concerning the books – if false rumors were spread (and it looks like they were) I condemn it. Neither side should do such things.

    You didn’t provide a link for the “half truth” on the rape kits – but if false information was spread there I condemn it too.

    I disagree that one side gets a free pass. The number of false and debunked rumors floating around about Obama is staggering. I am sure you have seen the list of false racist quotes attributed to Obama. At least some of those rumors (i.e., Obama is a socialist; Obama is a secret Muslim) are actively supported by Pravda-FOX.

    Both sides do it. Neither side should. Sadly, it won’t change.

  106. Elric66 says:

    “Elric if people want to make my life suckier you can rest assured I will stab them. In the back,chest,face wherever….whenever.”

    keep on stabbing us in the back. That will make life better for you.

  107. Elric66 says:

    “The number of false and debunked rumors floating around about Obama is staggering.”

    List them drone

  108. Elric66 says:

    “Obama is a socialist; Obama is a secret Muslim”

    He is more a marxist thug I agree. As for him a secret muslim. Well the jury is out on that but thats where his loyalties lie. You know like using NASA to make muslims “feel better”. Screw that islamist sympathizer.

  109. Tex Taylor says:

    Good grief Hippie. It’s not me that needs to reread – your comprehension must be zero. How did you get a PHD?

    Do you understand anything of time lines? Did you miss the relationship between East Germany and the former Soviet Union. Were they enemies? You’re older than I am – you ought to understand this relationship.

    Good gawd man…

  110. Tex Taylor says:

    Yeah Hippie, you wish Glenn Beck was doing poorly. This article is exactly ten hours old. That recent enough for you? He’s got 2.4 million viewers. He beats all other cable news networks combined. He’s got numerous best sellers. And his radio show is behind Limbaugh and Hannity at third.

    How many viewers do Butch Madcow and Keef Ogremann have at more prominent time slots again?

    You live in a world of fantasy friend and read way too much George Soros stuff. I thought you might be a little more with it than this…

  111. Elric66 says:

    Tex,

    Notice the drone ignored my “tolerant” comment? These drones arent tolerant. They are leftist versions of islam.

  112. hippieprof says:

    Tex said… Do you understand anything of time lines? Did you miss the relationship between East Germany and the former Soviet Union.

    Tex, I am massively confused. We have been talking about events that occurred in the 1920s and 1930s. The 6th congress was in 1928. East German was created in 1949.

    What does East Germany have to do Stalin’s rejection of social fascism in the 20s and 30s? The time line would have to be running backwards for that to be the case….

  113. Tex Taylor says:

    Hippie should be dismissed for being stupid enough to say Beck’s ratings have collapsed. 😆 Hippie is pulling shiite straight from Media Matters now. i’m looking through the numbers and the only ratings that are truly collapsing are MSNBC and CNN.

    I guess the Professor isn’t smart enough to recognize that he contradicts himself almost daily. First Beck’s a dangerous propagandist, then Beck’s a floundering propagandist losing advertisers, the FOX is dangerous again. If FOX weren’t beating his heroes to death daily in every ranking, Hippie wouldn’t be apoplectic over the matter. Same with their hate of Limbaugh. We’re simply way, way more talented than they are and they can’t live with the results.

    And I’m still waiting for Hippie to discard the link between Communist Russia and Socialist East Germany. Hell, Hippie lived through this.

    I think I’ve so burned his ass recently that now he’s grasping for pedantic straws.

  114. Elric66 says:

    “Tex, I am massively confused.”

    First truthful statement from you drone.

  115. Elric66 says:

    The drone also didnt condemn the leftist “journalist” hacks.

  116. hippieprof says:

    And I’m still waiting for Hippie to discard the link between Communist Russia and Socialist East Germany. Hell, Hippie lived through this.

    I never denied a link between Communist Russia and socialist East Germany. But, this was a discussion about fascism. Are you somehow claiming that East Germany was a fascist state?

  117. hippieprof says:

    Elric said: Notice the drone ignored my “tolerant” comment? These drones arent tolerant. They are leftist versions of islam.

    Elric, I have said many times that my policy is to ignore all of your comments. I try not to do so with the others people here because even though we usually disagree we can have an intelligent discussion. With you, not so much.

    I do occasionally violate my policy, as I am doing here. In this case I am intrigued. You say that Obama used NASA to make Muslims feel better. Oh – that sounds juicy. Please do provide the details!

  118. Tex Taylor says:

    Guess I should have provided this link. 😳

    http://www.dailyfinance.com/story/media/sorry-liberals-glenn-beck-isnt-going-anywhere/19564361/

    As you can clearly see Hippie – while Beck’s ratings have fallen this year, so have every other cable news outlets. He still command four times the ratings of any shill on MSNBC. That is the only fair comparison.

    ———————-

    Yes Hippie, you are massively confused at many things. East German was created in 1949. Who was the Soviet Leader in 1949? I’ll give you a hint. His first name was Joseph.

    Did it appear to you that Socialist East Germany and Communist Russia were enemies in 1949? Did it appear to you that they were “sister nations”? If not, please explain to me why East Germany considered a satellite of the Soviet Bloc?

    Now, go back and reread my first pejorative towards you mentioned any dateline. Did I say Fascism, 1933 – Stalin 1928? No, I did not.

    It trying to be smart, you have confused an insult that was simple in nature. I wasn’t trying to be clever at all. The original comment a combination of two pejoratives towards you personally with absolutely no intent of defining history. My mentioning of calling you Professor Pravda because I consider you a rank propagandist – the absolute worst; two – I consider your methodology of debating your opponent fascist in nature.

    You simply can not handle a dissenting view. In my opinion, that makes you incredibly weak.

  119. hippieprof says:

    Did I say Fascism, 1933 – Stalin 1928? No, I did not.

    You mentioned the 6th Congress, Tex, which was in 1928.

    Did it appear to you that Socialist East Germany and Communist Russia were enemies in 1949? Did it appear to you that they were “sister nations”? If not, please explain to me why East Germany considered a satellite of the Soviet Bloc?

    Tex – what does this have to do with the argument?

    I claimed that Nazi fascism and Russian communism were diametrically opposed.

    You claimed otherwise, citing a wiki article and emphasizing the 6th conference.

    I schooled you by demonstrating that the very article you cited said exactly the opposite of the point you were trying to make.

    So – please – spell out for me the relationship between Nazi fascism and Soviet communism.

  120. Elric66 says:

    “Please do provide the details!”

    Would it matter? You will dismiss it or ignore it like all the other thuggery going on. Not wasting my time providing you proof that you arent interested in. If you are interested google NASA and muslim, you will find it. Knock yourself out jack ass.

  121. Tex Taylor says:

    I schooled you by demonstrating that the very article you cited said exactly the opposite of the point you were trying to make.

    Schooled me? Hardly. You said Stalin and fascism were diametrically opposed. I say Stalin was an authoritarian at heart and he said as much from the damn link I just provided you. Let’s try this again:

    This view was accepted by Joseph Stalin who described fascism and social democracy as “twin brothers”, arguing that fascism depends on the active support of the social democracy and that the social democracy depends on the active support of fascism. After it was declared at the Sixth Congress, the theory of social fascism became accepted by the world Communist movement. At the same time, Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD), under leadership of German chancellor Hermann Müller, agreed with anti-communist parties that “red equals brown”. Get it? Red equals Brown?

    I said nothing of Nazi fascism. You equate fascism with Nazi Germany – fascism swings a much wider brush than Nazi Germany Professor Pravda. Doubt me? Then let us consider the dictionary definition of fascism:

    A political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

    Which one of these characteristics does Stalin not represent Hippie? You’re making mountains out of molehills playing semantics because more often than not, you’re an easy target for humiliation and I’ve slapped your ugly mug so many times now, I’ve lost count.

    You’re Maureen Holland’s “big” brother…

  122. Elric66 says:

    Tex,

    I suggest Prof Bong read “Liberal Fascism”. He might actually learn something for a change.

  123. Tex Taylor says:

    Elric,

    Hippie is caught up in the ‘supercilious act’ because he’s given up on Obama’s grandiose plans of leading America to recovery. Hell, Obama’s own current economic adviser has called tax increases the major cause of contracting the economy. This regime is trapped because all they know how to do spend, create strife and redistribute. Socialized Bongo care reform can’t be paid for – financial reform was a joke. There’s nothing left in the purse and the stimulus plan was a farce – a public slush fund to buy votes. Transformation has failed, the MSM has been shown to be Leftist shills. Hippie’s world, his religion, is falling apart. I got news for Hippie – higher education is not far from becoming a bulls eye. His own ass may be hanging in the balance. Hope he’s saved better than Obama.

    Hippie will never admit it, but he realizes he has sold his soul to a monumental losing cause – a cause lost in less than 18 months. Eighteen months ago, guys like Hippie were laughing Conservativism was dead – a regional party. Liberalism has failed, Hippie’s ideology exposed as a losing proposition. Classic cognitive dissonance. It’s a bitter pill to swallow for an academician. They honestly do think they are the smartest people in the room – real people know better.

    You see how Hippie has switched from discussing issues of policy to more divisive and nebulous issues of arguing semantics and calling us racist? This is the act of an angry and desperate man. I’m simply piling on because of his thuggish and “fascist” behavior at his own blog.

    You read Rutherford’s twitter account or Hippie’s blog – I don’t know how to really describe it but to call them conniving and never to be trusted. 😐

  124. Elric66 says:

    Tex,

    I would never trust anyone that still defends this regime after 18 months. These drones support a regime and a party that is destroying this nation and enslaving our kids to unsustainable debt. I also dont understand how anyone can be civil to these traitors. They are destroying their kids. Dont they care?

  125. Tex Taylor says:

    Elric,

    True Elric, but I think I understand why – at least as much as somebody not part of their inner circle capable of revolutionary thinking.

    Rutherford – childhood product of black America. Obama was a historic President for America in a sense – an abject failure as President. Actually, other than Rutherford’s penchant for herd mentality of MSNBC and hard on for Sarah Palin, I’ve actually found him usually one of the more objective bloggers about speaking Obama truth. He knows Obama is a miserable failure and will occasionally admit it.

    Hippie – a member of the academic JournOlist. This is the other side of the Rutherford coin. Rejected mom and dad’s good advice – rebel without a cause. Reasonably bright but smug, elitist, convinced of some moral superiority – whatever that may be. Classic liberal arts mentality, where these lib art professors sit around in a circle jerk mutually masturbating to the tune of Freud and other deviants, while philosophizing about empty thoughts no one else in the world gives a damn about. 🙂

    Graychin – irreligious, vicious SOB who I love to go toe-to-toe with and exchange barbs. Another half-bright, self-absorbed, self-serving member of leftist propaganda. Probably brought up worshiping at the altar of FDR’s greatness in the Carl Albert mold and the sexual revolution. Gave up the dope for white collar America because he liked the dough, but remained a Tom Hayden wannabee at heart. 🙂

    Bet I’m not far from wrong on any of them…

  126. Tex Taylor says:

    If anybody wants a good laugh, this is the asshole who thinks libs ought to be pushing their opponents through plate glass windows. Scares the shit out of me. 😆

    http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowldc/magazines/spencer_ackerman_the_fishbowldc_interview_46130.asp

  127. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    Elric, if Alfie and I were to act the way you do, we would also be constantly ignored the way that you are.

    We offer civility in a discussion in order to have a discussion. You might enjoy your continuous 1-sided discussions, but mental masturbation is not high on my list of things to do for fun.

  128. Elric66 says:

    JONAH GOLDBERG: “Shirley Sherrod, who didn’t know who Andrew Breitbart was 72 hours ago, now knows him well enough to say that he wants to put all blacks back into slavery. If I were David Axelrod, I’d be calling this woman and beg her to stop talking. And, yes, she does owe Andrew an apology.”

    Amen to that

  129. Elric66 says:

    Yeah, that civility with these marxist really turned out so well. You want to be civil with marxist drones who want to bankrupt your children and grandkids, knock yourself out Skippy. I have more pride than that.

  130. Elric66 says:

    Tex,

    You are pretty dead on with all the drones.

  131. Elric66 says:

    Assholes like Prof Bong boycott Beck but who really are the real evil haters? Ohhh and just keep on hating on Breitbart RINO”S while shit like this goes on. Be civil to the Marxist drones and dont challenge their hypocrisy. Dont want them mad at you.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJbK33f5jvk&feature=player_embedded

  132. Elric66 says:

    Bet he would never be invited to speak at the NAALCP.

    Love to see him take over for Palin after her 8 years.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxB75lVN1us&feature=player_embedded

  133. Alfie says:

    Are you somehow claiming that East Germany was a fascist state?
    Yeah I’ll do it. Are YOU Hippie trying to say the Soviet Union was NOT a fascist regime???

  134. hippieprof says:

    Alfie said: Yeah I’ll do it. Are YOU Hippie trying to say the Soviet Union was NOT a fascist regime???

    Yes, Alfie, I am making that claim. Fascism includes an element of extreme nationalism. Neither the Soviet Union nor East Germany were nationalistic states. Nationalism, in fact, is the antithesis of Communism/Socialism.

    The problem is that you are confusing totalitarianism with fascism. Both the Soviet Union and East Germany were totalitarian states – but they were not fascist states.

  135. hippieprof says:

    Tex said: A political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition. Which one of these characteristics does Stalin not represent Hippie?

    Um…. How about the nationalism/racism part? Communism is most certainly NOT a nationalism/racist movement. It is indeed authoritarian/totalitarian – but it is not nationalist.

  136. Tex Taylor says:

    This is getting to be a silly argument, but since you thought you “schooled me”, I’ll continue play your game…

    Communism is most certainly NOT a nationalism/racist movement. It is indeed authoritarian/totalitarian – but it is not nationalist.

    Nationalism in the Soviet Union

    http://www.answers.com/topic/nationalism-in-the-soviet-union

    Ask the Russian Jews if they think the former Soviet Union wasn’t racist…

  137. hippieprof says:

    Tex – from the very link you posted:

    The Bolshevik government based its nationalities policy on the principles of Marxist-Leninist ideology. According to these principles, all nations should disappear with time, and nationalism was considered a bourgeois ideology.

    Now – indeed the USSR did not succeed in achieving that ideology – but the USSR never achieved real communism/socialism either (as Alfie pointed out earlier).

  138. hippieprof says:

    Tex – let me elaborate on my last post just a bit, and then hopefully we can put this argument to rest.

    My claim is that nationalism is not a theoretical part of communism/socialism. In fact, in theory nationalism is antithetical to communism/socialism. As mentioned in the highlighted selection above, Marx and Lenin believed “nations” to be an unnatural creation of the ruling class. They believed that “nations” would eventually cease to exist in the “worker’s paradise.”

    This is not to say that nationalism didn’t exist in the USSR. Obviously, it did. In fact, I would go so far as to say that nationalistic tensions were one of the (many) reasons communism failed. The USSR simply could not convince its many nationalities/ethnicities to “just get along” in the worker’s paradise. You mention Russian Jews – but there are many examples.

    So – to summarize – nationalism should not exist under Marxist theory – but it did occur – and it is one of the reasons communism failed.

  139. Tex Taylor says:

    Hippie, 😆

    Yeah, Okay. This entire conversation was unnecessary. Throughout every article I linked, the footnote was that “scholars” can’t really define socialism, fascism, or communism specifically.

    Hell, most Americans can’t define what type of government we live under. I say with Obama it’s statist, others a Republic, some socialism,etc… So this entire exercise was meaningless.

    But I’ll stick with my original charge Hippie. One, you won’t beat Beck because the more you protest, the more popular he’ll get – even the Whitehouse is terrified of him which I find humorous, because Beck is an ordinary guy with a good sense of humor. He could be your neighbor. While it is true Beck’s ratings have tumbled, so has everyone else – most at a far greater percentile rate. Let’s see what Beck’s ratings do after Labor Day when the election becomes more meaningful.

    Second, there’s a big difference between boycotting somebody’s advertiser (fair enough, I agree that is capitalism) and doing what that prick Anthony Weiner did which is attack an advertiser with bogus charges – Weiner (appropriately named pencil necked dick) abused his authority, and that my friend is pure and simple fascism.

  140. Alfie says:

    OK hippie I’m done.
    You so badly don’t want to be wrong,or ,more importantly admit it. Communism is economic. The USSR and China lack nationalism? You’re crazy!.East Germany under the Soviets lacked nationalism??? Now I’m laughing my my ass off in front of my Stazi autographed GDR swim team calender.
    How was the Soviet Union NOT fascist? It created a false common nationality,ruthlessly controlled things from a central point. Not to mention that the Soviet commies were directly involved in unseating arguably the only true socialists of the 20th century in Spain. Now there is some irony there since the other guys were the fascists. The thing is neither the Reds or the Franco folks were going to be less totalitarian.

  141. Alfie says:

    nationalism should not exist under Marxist theory Should is a big word and not has added synergy. The truth is though that not unlike religion so called socialist and marxist movements are little more than fascist/totalitarian movements. You give the masses something ala promises and golden dreams of Marxism the People and ultimately the masses become fodder for the dictators.
    Fast forward to today and look at Hugo and the Bolivarians.

  142. hippieprof says:

    Alfie said: Should is a big word and not has added synergy.

    Indeed. I have been arguing theory, you guys have been arguing practice. I suspect that is the academic in me – theory does make a difference. Cases in which the practice does not achieve the goals of the theory are particularly interesting (academically) because they help us to understand what was wrong with the theory in the first place.

    The truth is though that not unlike religion so called socialist and marxist movements are little more than fascist/totalitarian movements.

    I would agree with you – in practice. I do not believe that Marx and Engels thought that was what they were creating though – just as religious theologians do not view totalitarianism as the goal of their religion.

    BTW – I admire the fact that you put religion on the list. I suspect you may take some heat for that.

    😉

  143. hippieprof says:

    But I’ll stick with my original charge Hippie. One, you won’t beat Beck because the more you protest, the more popular he’ll get – even the Whitehouse is terrified of him which I find humorous

    Perhaps you are right. Unfortunately, I don’t know what other strategy we on the left have. You have to understand – I think he is very very dangerous – too dangerous to be ignored. Although, I have to admit, if I ran into him in a bar the first thing I would do is offer to buy him a drink… or two… or three….

    😉

  144. Tex Taylor says:

    Hippie, I’m curious. In this case, I do value your opinion.

    Is Beck dangerous because he exposes the truth? How many of Obama’s plans have been foiled because Beck has shown a sordid history of those Obama appointed? I mean, isn’t this what both you and I want? To simply get the facts and let us make up our own mind?

    Why is the truth ever dangerous? Nobody has ever charged Beck with slander or libel that I’m aware.

  145. hippieprof says:

    Why is the truth ever dangerous? Nobody has ever charged Beck with slander or libel that I’m aware.

    Tex, we have established many times over that you and I have different ideas about what the truth is.

    I think Beck is dangerous precisely because be does NOT speak the truth. He knowingly spews lies and distortions. I could make a huge list, but here are a few examples:

    — Beck insists in running with the “Obama is a socialist” claim. It is a ridiculous and dishonest claim – even Bill O’Reilly has admitted Obama is not a socialist – yet Beck insists on pushing it. It is nothing but a fear tactic. Apparently it is working, because Beck has convinced a lot of small minds that Obama is indeed a socialist.

    — Beck made the absurd claim that “Obama hates white culture” – not only is this a crazy notion, but it is once again fear mongering. I swear that Beck’s strategy comes down to “Let’s scare white people to death….”

    — The guy is an amazing fake. Seriously – when he turns on the fake crocodile tears, I want to puke. Does that tactic really impress you?

    Beck’s lies are documented on numerous web sites – and I have some other stuff going on here this morning so I won’t elaborate more.

    I suspect that the strategy here will be to deny that Beck lies. We have been over all of this ground before, so there isn’t much point in rehashing it.

    I despise Beck because I think he is a lying fear monger. You guys apparently like him because you think he speaks the truth. I think that about sums it up.

  146. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    “Apparently it is working, because Beck has convinced a lot of small minds that Obama is indeed a socialist.”

    It’s worth mentioning that Barack Obama has also done a lot to convince people he is indeed a socialist.

  147. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    “– The guy is an amazing fake. Seriously – when he turns on the fake crocodile tears, I want to puke. Does that tactic really impress you? ”

    This is one of the reasons I don’t watch Glenn Beck.

    But I must ask, are you impressed with the nightly faux outrage displayed by washed-up-sports-reporter-turned political-analyst Keith Olbermann?

    “I despise Beck because I think he is a lying fear monger. You guys apparently like him because you think he speaks the truth.”

    Any points I give Glenn Beck are given because of his sense of humor. I don’t watch his show or listen to him on the radio. But I do click on videos of his now and then, and he can be a funny mofo if one can appreciate political-based, partisan humor.

  148. Tex Taylor says:

    Hippie, I’m sure you’re right about what we believe separates truth, but you do realize I think you are a dishonest propagandist by now? On the order of Butch Madcow, KKKos, PuffHo, or Media Matters dishonest. However, I don’t recall a time that I’ve ever stated you should be shut down for what I perceived as misstatements, untruths, half truths, attempting to create racial strife where none exists, insidiously false charges of racism, and ignorant stereotypes you continually post at your blog.

    Most of us see through your agenda, so when I balance what harm you might cause vs. what a great gift free speech is, it seems to me the debate moot.

    I don’t think Beck has lied. If he had, surely somebody by now would have brought libel charges against him and won – no one has.

  149. Elric66 says:

    “It is a ridiculous and dishonest claim”

    And yet you produce nothing to prove that he’s not. I feel sorry for your students since their “professor” is such a blind ideologue and quite the moron.

    You say he isnt a socialist, than prove it. Better yet, would it matter to you if he was? Would it matter to you if he is a socialist. Yes or no. And dont answer it just for me. Im sure the others here would be interested in your answer.

  150. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    “And yet you produce nothing to prove that he’s not…. You say he isnt a socialist, than prove it. ”

    “Would it matter? You will dismiss it or ignore it… Not wasting my time providing you proof that you arent interested in.”

  151. hippieprof says:

    I don’t think Beck has lied. If he had, surely somebody by now would have brought libel charges against him and won – no one has.

    That is hardly a measure, Tex. Bringing suit would simply give him more attention and allow him to have a few additional fake crying episodes. The crying seems particularly effective – it would probably gain him some sympathizers.

    Of course free speech is great gift. That is why there is no governmental effort to shut down Fox. The movement to boyctt Beck sponsors is itself an example of free speech – so I don’t know what your problem would be.

    If “liberal propagandists” had anywhere near the influence Beck does I do indeed suspect there would be efforts to censor them.

  152. Elric66 says:

    “Beck made the absurd claim that “Obama hates white culture” – not only is this a crazy notion, but it is once again fear mongering. ”

    Gee why would anyone think that? Just because the racist pig sat in a racist “church” for 20 years that teaches “Black Theology” and has close ties to the Nation of islam doesnt mean he hates white culture. Nahhhhhhh…….

  153. hippieprof says:

    Huck asked: But I must ask, are you impressed with the nightly faux outrage displayed by washed-up-sports-reporter-turned political-analyst Keith Olbermann?

    I don’t watch Olbermann. On the rare occasion I have watched him, I am always reminding myself that all he is doing is telling me what I want to hear. It feels good to hear what you want to hear – but I remain skeptical. Honestly, a good dose of skepticism would do everyone some good – regardless of their place on the political spectrum.

  154. Elric66 says:

    Whats wrong Prof Bong? Too tough a question?

    Would it matter to you if al-Thuggy is a socialist? Yes or no? Come on, I made it easy for you, you have two options. Would it matter to you?

  155. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    Maybe he just doesn’t want to waste his time showing you something you will disregard anyway. Surely you can respect that, since it is your own policy.

  156. Elric66 says:

    You really love backing up the marxist drones, dont you?

  157. Elric66 says:

    And what have I discarded btw?

  158. hippieprof says:

    Elric asked: Would it matter to you if al-Thuggy is a socialist? Yes or no? Come on, I made it easy for you, you have two options. Would it matter to you?

    Huck is right, Elric – in general little purpose is served having a “discussion” with you. That is why I generally ignore you.

    However, the question you pose might be of general interest.

    Yes, it would matter to me greatly if Obama were a socialist. I wouldn’t have voted for him, for one. Socialism has proven again and again to be a miserable failure.

    I am, however, able to tolerate a larger role for government that what you and others prefer. That does not make me a socialist. It makes me a democrat. There is a difference.

  159. Elric66 says:

    “That does not make me a socialist. It makes me a democrat. There is a difference.”

    And whats the line?

  160. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    “You really love backing up the marxist drones, dont you?”

    I love calling out your constant hypocrisy regarding quid pro quo on Q&A.

    “And what have I discarded btw?”

    “You say that Obama used NASA to make Muslims feel better. Oh – that sounds juicy. Please do provide the details!”

    “Would it matter? You will dismiss it or ignore it… Not wasting my time providing you proof that you arent interested in.”

  161. Elric66 says:

    And I told him what to google if he was interested, Its obvious he didnt so I proved my point. Thanks for playing Skippy.

  162. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    You’ve discarded proof that Breitbart’s intention was to label Sherrod a racist rather than making it about the NAACP audience.

  163. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    “And I told him what to google if he was interested, Its obvious he didnt so I proved my point.”

    And you have proven my point by insisting he answer questions you could Google yourself.

    You’re the one setting the rules. I am just playing your game…and winning. Because you’re a hypocrite.

  164. Elric66 says:

    Actually his intention was to show the NAACP is racist, not her. Again thanks for playing. Ohh and she is a racist. But hey, lets not go there because you dont want to anger the lib drones.

    And you still didnt comment on the NAACP calling a black Tea Party member an Uncle Tom and not “black enough”. You bucking for a job with the MSM. Running cover for the left?

  165. Elric66 says:

    I didnt set any rules. If he was interested in al-Thuggy using NASA to make muslims feel good, he would have looked. He didnt and thats not my problem. But it seems to be yours.

  166. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    I never said she wasn’t a racist.

    Here is a direct challenge to you, Elric.

    You go to Breitbart’s original article to introduce the Sherrod video and show me the exact portion that made it about the NAACP audience. Also tell us where those portions are within the article.

    I will do the same…for the 2nd time, since you have obviously disregarded it the first time I showed you.

    Let’s see who makes a better argument.

    You game? I will even go first. Just agree to accept the challenge.

    As for what you are waiting on me to respond to… Have I not made my feelings regarding the NAACP clear enough to you and everyone else here. Or have you been disregarding that, too?

  167. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    “I didnt set any rules. If he was interested in al-Thuggy using NASA to make muslims feel good, he would have looked. He didnt and thats not my problem.”

    And if you were interested in the allegations of Glenn Beck lying (which I am not saying he has or hasn’t done) you would have looked. There’s a lot out there, if you cared. You obviously don’t. Which proves more than 1 of my points.

  168. Elric66 says:

    Its where they chuckle when she is talking about not giving it all when helping the white farmer.

    Its also relly interesting you are more obsessed with Breitbart than over the Journolisat with is a much bigger scandal. I dont get the compulsion to throw our own under the bus while ignoring the much bigger scandals on the left. Really strange. Why is that?

    “Have I not made my feelings regarding the NAACP clear enough to you and everyone else here. Or have you been disregarding that, too?”

    No you made it clear you have some obsession with Breitbart over something insignificant.

  169. Elric66 says:

    Or you could attack this scandal instead of being so focused on Breitbart.

    http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2010/07/23/revealed-the-obama-donor-list/

  170. hippieprof says:

    Elric asked: And whats the line?

    Gosh… where to begin….

    Lets see…. nationalization of healthy industry?

    A planned economy in which the government sets production and consumption targets rather than the markets?

    Massive tax increases accompanied by large scale redistribution of wealth?

    Government control of media?

    These are hallmarks of socialism. They are decidedly NOT what Obama is pushing, nor are they what the vast majority of Democrats are pushing.

  171. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    “Its where they chuckle when she is talking about not giving it all when helping the white farmer.”

    Sorry, but no.

    I didn’t ask you about the contents of the video.

    I asked you to show us where in Breitbart’s article he intended to make the whole thing about the NAACP audience, and what he wrote to make it so.

    Are you willing to do that? Yes or no?

    “Why is that?”

    Because our entire side loses credibilty when we refuse to call out our own when they deserve it. Doesn’t democrat denial aggrivate you? And should we be held to different standards than the ones we place on others?

    “I dont get the compulsion to throw our own under the bus…”

    Andrew Breitbart is not my own. If he were, he’d have done the responsible things and done his research instead of putting his entire reputation (and ours, too) in jeopardy by taking the word of the first bit of incomplete evidence that showed him what he wanted to see.

  172. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    “Government control of media?”

    It’s what his pals at JournoList were pushing.

    “A planned economy in which the government sets production and consumption targets rather than the markets?”

    You mean like closing certain car dealerships after you have taken controlling share of a company and replaced its senior leadership?

    (See what I did there, Elric?)

  173. Elric66 says:

    “Lets see…. nationalization of healthy industry?”

    Like health care and the auto industry?

    “A planned economy in which the government sets production and consumption targets rather than the markets?”

    Getting there. Guess we will have to wit and see what was in that 2000 plus page bill. We do know it gives unions much more power

    “Massive tax increases accompanied by large scale redistribution of wealth?”

    Ohh so a “moderate” amounts is ok?

    “Government control of media?”

    Journolist And of course the push to regulate the Internet

    Of course I would have said the Constitution was the line but Im crazy like that.

    And can you explain why al-Thuggy tends to nominate socialists if he isnt a socialist?

  174. Elric66 says:

    “I asked you to show us where in Breitbart’s article he intended to make the whole thing about the NAACP audience, and what he wrote to make it so.”

    So if he just puts out a video without full specifics and people over react even when they have the full tape its his fault?

    “Because our entire side loses credibilty when we refuse to call out our own when they deserve it. Doesn’t democrat denial aggrivate you? And should we be held to different standards than the ones we place on others?”

    Thats a loser strategy that doesnt work. And our side will never gain credibility with them especially when you look weak. You push back, you dont toss one of your own under the bus for something very minor. You end up looking like suckers.

    “If he were, he’d have done the responsible things and done his research instead of putting his entire reputation (and ours, too) in jeopardy by taking the word of the first bit of incomplete evidence that showed him what he wanted to see.”

    I guess the race baiters that had the whole tape should have known better. I guess you should too but you rather play by their rules.

  175. Elric66 says:

    (See what I did there, Elric?)

    You want a cookie?

  176. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    Elric, are you willing to accept the challenge I have put forth? Yes or no?

  177. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    “You want a cookie?”

    I want you to recognize and admit that I have done what you seem to think I am not interested in doing.

  178. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    I’m seeing a lot of my questions being left unanswered.

    Should our side be held to different standards than we hold the other side to?

    “I guess the race baiters that had the whole tape should have known better.”

    Yes, they should have. I’ve said as much several times.

  179. Elric66 says:

    Here is video of Howard Dean on Fox News Sunday where he accuses Fox News of being “absolutely racist” by reporting on the Shirley Sherrod story. He also called the Black Panther voter intimidation story “phony.”

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2010/07/25/howard-dean-calls-fox-news-racist-chris-wallace-pushes-back

    And this is what we have to deal with. Will anyone on the left condemn him for his outrageous lies? No but we are suppose to crucify Breitbart because they are “angry” Fvck them.

  180. Elric66 says:

    “Elric, are you willing to accept the challenge I have put forth? Yes or no?”

    You really want to gain favor with the marxist drones, dont you? Knock yourself out. I have more pride in trying look fair to those who want to rob our children’s future.

  181. Tex Taylor says:

    Bongo caught lying red handed. For this only, I now ask my Congressman to proceed with impeachment. Unbelievable…

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/white-house-backed-release-of-lockerbie-bomber-abdel-baset-al-megrahi/story-e6frg6so-1225896741041

  182. Elric66 says:

    Tex,

    Who cares? Breitbart released an edited tape. Thats all that matters.

  183. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    I guess that’s a “no.”

    Because I am bored today, I will play with the answer you bothered to give, and then prove to you why you are wrong.

    “Its where they chuckle when she is talking about not giving it all when helping the white farmer.”

    That portion of Breitbart’s article is found in this statement:

    “Sherrod’s racist tale is received by the NAACP audience with nodding approval and murmurs of recognition and agreement. Hardly the behavior of the group now holding itself up as the supreme judge of another groups’ racial tolerance.”

    This portion is the second of 2 references to the NAACP audience in the entire 1400-word article. It is found in paragraph 17. Here is the only other reference to the NAACP audience, found in paragraph 15:

    “We are in possession of a video from in which Shirley Sherrod, USDA Georgia Director of Rural Development, speaks at the NAACP Freedom Fund dinner in Georgia. In her meandering speech to what appears to be an all-black audience, this federally appointed executive bureaucrat lays out in stark detail, that her federal duties are managed through the prism of race and class distinctions.”

    As you see, Shirley Sherrod is the subject of that paragraph. The audience is the object.

    There are no other references to the NAACP audience in the entire article.

    ————————————-

    I say Breitbart intended to make this about Shirley Sherrod. This is shown by these statements:

    “In this piece you will see video evidence of racism coming from a federal appointee and NAACP award recipient and in another clip from the same event a perfect rationalization for why the Tea Party needs to exist.”

    That is the first paragraph (After he ironically declares in a 1-liner that context matters). Reference is made to the racism coming from a federal employee. There is no reference to the audeince whatsoever.

    These 2 paragraphs combined tell us what Breitbart originally wanted by introducing this video:

    “For the past week, Americans who consider themselves aligned with the Tea Party movement have suffered the indignity of being falsely labeled racist by the NAACP and their pro-bono publicity managers, the main stream media. The constant calls to “repudiate the racists from your ranks” have not only been insulting, but have also served to force a false standard upon America’s fastest-growing and most vibrant political movement that no other group could ever live up to nor would ever be asked to live up to.”

    That is the 2nd paragraph in the article. He is pointing out that there have been calls for the Tea Party to repudiate racism from its ranks.

    After some background context to further his point, he writes in paragraph 15:

    “We are in possession of a video from in which Shirley Sherrod, USDA Georgia Director of Rural Development, speaks at the NAACP Freedom Fund dinner in Georgia. In her meandering speech to what appears to be an all-black audience, this federally appointed executive bureaucrat lays out in stark detail, that her federal duties are managed through the prism of race and class distinctions.”

    As anyone can see, he is pointing out the percieved (whether actual or not) racism of Shirley Sherrod because he wants the NAACP to renounce her…not its audience.

    Even the filename of the blog article proves my point:

    “video-proof-the-naacp-awards-racism2010/”

    Proof the NAACP awards racism. And who did it award? Shirley Sherrod. It did not award its audience.

    “Who cares? Breitbart released an edited tape. Thats all that matters.”

    It’s not all that matters. But it does matter. You seem to think it doesn’t.

    Yeah Tex. It will be interesting to see where this goes. Obviously the world’s press is not drinking the same strength of kool aid as ours when it comes to Obama. Maybe JournoList should have included more of them.

  184. hippieprof says:

    Elric said: Like health care and the auto industry?

    I said healthy industry. Bailout of two bankrupt car companies, saving tens of thousands of jobs in the process, hardly counts as nationalizing healthy industry. If they had nationalized Ford you might have point.

    Health care? Are you serious? There wasn’t even a non-profit insurance option in the bill – much less a single-payer plan. Single player, though preferred by some progressives, was never seriously on the table.

    Ohh so a “moderate” amounts is ok?

    Yes – moderate tax increases would be just fine. The rich are doing quite nicely under the current tax system – the gap between rich and poor continues to grow. They are hardly hurting.

    Journolist And of course the push to regulate the Internet

    In the tens of thousands of emails from journolist you guys can cite a couple suggesting it would be good to shut down FOX – and you call that a massive conspiracy. Of course, since Tucker refuses to release the entire list we don’t get to see how list members reacted to those statements. You can bet that if they jumped into support the idea it would have been featured – and since it hasn’t been featured I think we can assume the the smoking gun just wasn’t there.

    Of course, the journolist comment was from an academic, and not from someone in the administration.

    Of course I would have said the Constitution was the line but Im crazy like that.

    If you will notice, the elements of socialism I mentioned (nationalization of industry, government control of media, planned economy) are decidedly unconstitutional. Taxation of course is not unconstitutional – and progressive taxation has been upheld by the Supreme Court – so I guess I am setting even a lower bar than the Constitution does…

  185. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    “If you will notice, the elements of socialism I mentioned (nationalization of industry, government control of media, planned economy) are decidedly unconstitutional. ”

    Yes. You are finally getting it. Some of what this administration is doing is unconstitutional.

    I notice you did not defend against this phrasing:

    “You mean like closing certain car dealerships after you have taken controlling share of a company and replaced its senior leadership?”

    Does not the Federal government not own a majority of General Motors stock? Did the federal government not force the head of general Motors to resign? Did Tim Geithner not have to give his approval of the person that replaced the man who was forced to resign? Were certain GM dealers not forced to close their doors? Has it not been established that the decisions to close some of those dealerships was motivated by politics rather than the free market? And was that not proven by a government agency?

    (Those are rhetorical questions. I’d have given links to prove every one of those things if not for it going into moderation.)

    Doesn’t closing dealers of a product set consumption targets? (That one isn’t rhetorical)

  186. Tex Taylor says:

    Hippie,

    I guess your opinion of tax increases differs from Obama’s economic adviser Christina Romer who said, “The behavior of output following these more exogenous changes indicates that tax increases are highly contractionary. The effects are strongly significant, highly robust, and much larger than those obtained using broader measures of tax changes.”

    http://www.econ.berkeley.edu/~dromer/papers/RomerandRomerAERJune2010.pdf

    So even Obama’s economic adviser says you are wrong – that is, unless you would like the economy to contract further? You know, somebody in the private sector has to work to pay for all these gubmit programs, including higher ed.

  187. hippieprof says:

    Huck said: Yes. You are finally getting it. Some of what this administration is doing is unconstitutional.

    Huck, you missed my point – the things I mentioned were ones the administration is NOT doing.

    I notice you did not defend against this phrasing: “You mean like closing certain car dealerships after you have taken controlling share of a company and replaced its senior leadership?”

    I already said that it would be socialistic if Obama nationalized HEALTHY companies. That obviously does not apply to bankrupt companies about to be liquidated. I skimmed the report you linked – and I guess I don’t see where it says dealership closings were politically motivated. I does mention – once and only once – that the original GM plan (prior to bankruptcy) favored minority- and female-owned dealerships – but that was not the final plan. What the report says is that GM did not adhere to their stated criteria, and have not been forthcoming about why some dealerships were closed and some not. It further criticizes the Treasury dept for not keeping a closer eye on things. I just don’t see where you get “political motivation” from that.

    Once again, I will emphasize that we are talking about government takeover of a bankrupt company. Had the government NOT intervened, all of the dealerships would have gone under. How many jobs would have been lost under that scenario.

    Doesn’t closing dealers of a product set consumption targets?

    Yes – but as the report states, that was planned prior to government intervention. Further, the report criticizes the government for NOT paying attention to how GM enacted the closures.

  188. hippieprof says:

    I guess your opinion of tax increases differs from Obama’s economic adviser Christina Romer….

    Tex – my point was that there is nothing unconstitutional or socialistic about moderate tax increases. Whether tax increases are a good idea or not (the point you are making) is a completely different argument.

  189. Tex Taylor says:

    In the tens of thousands of emails from journolist you guys can cite a couple suggesting it would be good to shut down FOX – and you call that a massive conspiracy. Of course, since Tucker refuses to release the entire list we don’t get to see how list members reacted to those statements. You can bet that if they jumped into support the idea it would have been featured – and since it hasn’t been featured I think we can assume the the smoking gun just wasn’t there.

    You must be reading a different place than I am – it’s quite clear the agenda was to push Obama, to protect Obama, and to cover him when Wright’s screed was exposed, as hundreds of examples have now been provided. Collusion and corruption went hand-in-hand.

  190. hippieprof says:

    Like I said, Tex – let Tucker release the rest of the list and we can see how much of the talk on journolist was this supposed conspiracy. Tucker himself has already said the unreleased material was “banal and uninteresting” – and isn’t that the whole point? The vast majority of the messages exchanged on journolist were banal – but when you take a tiny select sample of the tens of thousands – out of context – it can be made to look like some massive conspiracy.

    I am also very certain that at least some of those tens of thousands of emails argue against the “corruption” you see – but of course Tucker won’t release those, will he?

  191. Tex Taylor says:

    Hippie,

    Though likable and generally polite, you are even more intellectually dishonest or deluded than Graychin. I hardly believe a word that comes out of your mouth anymore. Nobody could be this accidentally obtuse.

    The vast majority of the messages were junk – the ones that were relevant to the discussion at hand were all collusion to protect Obama. If I’m wrong, why hasn’t Ezra Klein disputed any of this? Why haven’t any of the JournOlist members (O for Obama) published their own messages in their defense? They’ve all run for cover and got real silent – or announced like your flunky statistician Nate that this was his last comment on the matter before pulling a hamstring walking backward.

    In other words busted. All of them, you included as you lend your support to this bias. If you had any personal credibility, you would condemn this collusion, or say so what? No, you try to excuse away the obvious – this is pathetic.

  192. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    “Huck, you missed my point – the things I mentioned were ones the administration is NOT doing. ”

    Except, as I have already shown, they are. You even admit it, and are defending it because it happened to a failing company.

    Except that the health of the company being taken over by the government has nothing to do with whether or not the practice is socialist or not. Furthermore, you continuing to talk about the jobs saved by the takeover further proves its socialistic nature. By the people (our taxes anyways), for the people. No, that’s not socialism.

    ” I skimmed the report you linked – and I guess I don’t see where it says dealership closings were politically motivated. I does mention – once and only once – that the original GM plan (prior to bankruptcy) favored minority- and female-owned dealerships – but that was not the final plan.”

    You don’t see how a policy that is based on race and gender — that is part of a plan that must be submitted to the ultra-liberal government that you want money from — is not politically motivated? Really? Seriously?

    “Yes – but as the report states, that was planned prior to government intervention.”

    Yeah, and as I pointed out, it was part of a plan that had to be submitted to the federal government. And as you and the report pointed out, the government didn’t seem to be very concerned over that policy. I wonder why?

    Just as Obama gets to use the excuse that he does things (like bypass senate confirmations) because he knows what others are going to do anyway, we can assume GM did things because they knew what the Obama administration was going to do anyway.

  193. Alfie says:

    A lot of good comments/discussion.
    @Huck…I think you have at least one thing in common with Elric. There are story lines that are easily accessible or more so clearly have hit the radars of anyone that is up to hosting or commenting on political blogs.
    The NASA/Muslim story was international and was eventually followed up domestically with a Gibbs presser point. Do I need to really supply linkage??? Only to those that want to dance the Orwellian dance.The same can be said of your stance that the GM stories are proof of socialism-lite at the least. Using the smokescreen of “healthy” companies to mark the point an action is socialism just too much blows away any thought that Americans have a different collective mindset and set of terms. (there’s a post!)

    Hippie you’re a smart guy,you know how to have a discussion and you have some noble virtues ala
    Honestly, a good dose of skepticism would do everyone some good – regardless of their place on the political spectrum.
    I think on the Beck thing you give him too much power as well as slam him too vociferously. He is what he is and has counterparts on the other side.(Maddow,Olbie and Schultz)
    It is maddening when the nuggets of truth used in a story is so readily discarded with the attached slag.Along those lines I think you voluntarily set aside the knowledge that tells you the other side of the story some times. Another example of that was how after a number of comments you had the epiphany that Tex and I were talking about “practice” as opposed to “theory”. Perhaps in a dynamic face to face this would never have occurred. That being the curse of a thread communication. I think you can appreciate where I’m coming from though.

  194. Elric66 says:

    And I never want to hear about Fox being in the tank for the Republicans when the entire MSNBC line up was at the Netroots conference. They even had Madcow introduce Der Fuhrer.

  195. Alfie says:

    Well Fox is in the tank for the right just like MSNBC and others are in the tank for the Dems & Co. What should be troubling is that masses of Americans depend on these folks for news. The US media has decayed to the point of no return. Too many years of agenda driven reporting with unhealthy sides of the “if it bleeds it leads” mentality along with base programming targeting feelings,biases and short attention spans has helped to assure the sheep mentality of the American citizen.

  196. Elric66 says:

    “Well Fox is in the tank for the right just like MSNBC and others are in the tank for the Dems & Co.”

    Sure they are. Getting that compulsion to say outrageous things again to please the left?

    During the 2008 demomarxist primaries, Hillary herself said that Fox gave her the fairest shake of all media outlets.

    Fox leans to the right but to compare it to MSNBC is one of the most ludicrous statements you have ever made. And thats quite an accomplishment

  197. Alfie says:

    During the 2008 demomarxist primaries, Hillary herself said that Fox gave her the fairest shake of all media outlets.
    Think that one through Elric and get back to me.

  198. Elric66 says:

    “Think that one through Elric and get back to me.”

    I know the media was in the tank for al-Thuggy so much that they stabbed Hillary in the back. The whole media was commited to one demomarxist candidate that “mega right wing” Fox was kinder to her. Yeah, I suggest you think about it and get back to me.

  199. Alfie says:

    OK I’ll get back to you. As the rest of my earlier comment shows I have little more than utter disdain for the US media. I especially find FOX to be shoddy.MSNBC does even rate they’re just crazy. CNN may get you an interesting story now and then but they will eventually ID it and run it into the ground.

  200. Elric66 says:

    So MSNBC gets a pass because they are just crazy?

    Get back to me when the entire Fox line up attends an extreme right wing event and one introduces a Republican president.

  201. hippieprof says:

    Alfie said: What should be troubling is that masses of Americans depend on these folks for news. The US media has decayed to the point of no return.

    I couldn’t agree more. What passes for “news” in the US is merely entertainment. People tune in to hear what they want to hear – and just change channels when a news story challenges them to think outside the box.

    This goes for ALL news media – regardless of where it sits on the political spectrum.

    (OK – I actually think PBS does interesting in-depth stories – and yes, I know you will accuse it of bias – but at least there is some depth to the reporting)

  202. Alfie says:

    I didn’t give MSNBC a pass!

  203. hippieprof says:

    Huck said: Except that the health of the company being taken over by the government has nothing to do with whether or not the practice is socialist or not.

    Huck – it has everything to say about it. The administration does not want to be taking over the means of production – which would be the case if they were nationalizing healthy industry. If they try to grab profitable companies – hey – I would be right there with you yelling “socialism.”

    What they are doing is taking control of a company with NEGATIVE asset value. This isn’t something they really want to be doing – but the tens of thousands of jobs that would have been lost had GM gone under would have been far to high a cost.

    Since when is preserving jobs a “socialist” agenda?

    I suspect if GM had gone under unemployment would be somewhere in the neighborhood of 11 percent now. The housing market would be in far worse shape than it is – some of those people losing jobs would be losing homes too. Would that be acceptable? You guys would be screaming about it – you know that.

    You don’t see how a policy that is based on race and gender — that is part of a plan that must be submitted to the ultra-liberal government that you want money from — is not politically motivated? Really? Seriously?

    Oh – I can see how it would be politically motivated. I am just pointing out that you are honing in on ONE SENTENCE in a lengthy document. Further, that sentence does not describe the final resolution of the problem, nor is that sentence based on anything the administration did – it was a decision made by GM. YOu speculate that GM had political motives – but you have no proof of that. Perhaps encouraging minority ownership is a goal the company seeks independent of government pressure? Lots of minorities buy cars – so it might even be an economically wise decision. Did you consider that?

    I will also remind you that the report concludes that the government did not provide ENOUGH oversight. I suspect a political conspiracy would instead involve the government providing TOO MUCH oversight.

  204. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    C’mon Alfie. You know that we aren’t trying hard enough if we don’t show:

    outrage outrage outrage outrage Thuggy outrage outrage outrage outrage demomarxists outrage outrage outrage outrage outrage Palis outrage outrage outrage outrage outrage outrage

  205. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    “Huck – it has everything to say about it. ”

    I have to read the Communist Manifesto as assigned reading for a seminar class in the Fall. I will keep my eyes open for the section that talks about the health of companies making a difference.

    “Since when is preserving jobs a “socialist” agenda? ”

    Since the federal government started using taxpayer dollars to buy controlling shares of companies and then restructure the leadership of those companies, which makes the entire company and its leadership beholdened to the federal government and its agendas.

    “Lots of minorities buy cars – so it might even be an economically wise decision. ”

    Minorities can’t buy from whitey?

    “I will also remind you that the report concludes that the government did not provide ENOUGH oversight.”

    And I will remind you:

    “Just as Obama gets to use the excuse that he does things (like bypass senate confirmations) because he knows what others are going to do anyway, we can assume GM did things because they knew what the Obama administration was going to do anyway.”

    When people are doing what you want them to do, oversight isn’t needed, is it?

  206. Alfie says:

    Hippie:
    Between Huck,me,Tex and you,you’re outnumbered and not going to find agreement. I also think the argument is missing a key thing.
    I’m gonna play devils advocate since I actually don’t think Obama is striving for Socialism
    HP would you agree that Obama and the Dems are clearly striving for a Social Democracy???

  207. hippieprof says:

    Tex said: Though likable and generally polite, you are even more intellectually dishonest or deluded than Graychin.

    Tex – you do realize that your ranking of “most intellectually dishonest” changes on almost a daily basis, don’t you? It is something akin to football/baseball “power rankings” – tune in each week to see who sits on top!

    I am proud to at the top for the moment – though I suspect I will be replaced there very soon.

    😉

    As for the meat of the story:

    The vast majority of the messages were junk – the ones that were relevant to the discussion at hand were all collusion to protect Obama. If I’m wrong, why hasn’t Ezra Klein disputed any of this? Why haven’t any of the JournOlist members (O for Obama) published their own messages in their defense?

    Indeed the vast majority were junk. By my estimate perhaps one percent of the total look troubling – and we don’t even have the context for those. That doesn’t add up to a lot of evidence for conspiracy.

    Why haven’t others posted their messages? Some have (Nate Silver, for example, has posted his). Perhaps the others don’t even have copies. I participate on lots of listservs. I don’t keep an exhaustive archive of those messages – even my own. Do you?

    You really seem to be ignoring the importance of context – so here is an exercise. You have posted thousands of messages on blogs – mine, Alfie’s, Rutherfords, etc. Quite a few of them are well reasoned, rational, and interesting. You are a smart guy. But, you periodically post really angry, nasty stuff too. If I went through and selectively chose ten or twelve of your nastiest posts and reprinted them out of context I could make you look like a real jerk.

    That is EXACTLY what Tucker is doing here.

  208. Alfie says:

    Hippie curious if you would agree,conditionally or otherwise, with me that one of the big things journolist represents is a testimonial to the character of those We The People have entrusted with giving us news? Klein is a great example of someone many like to point to for journalistic integrity. i have long since discarded him for having a bias that came through to his work. Now it seems confirmed for all.
    Character counts right?

  209. Elric66 says:

    Journolist, Day 5: Let’s campaign for Obama!
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    posted at 11:36 am on July 26, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

    The Daily Caller offers another installment of its Journolist exposé, only this one may be most notable for the praise given … Sarah Palin. After her speech at the Republican convention in 2008, the list members admitted their respect for the VP nominee, with one calling the speech “gangbusters.” Palin had them worried enough that a proposal floated among members to use the listserv explicitly to coordinate efforts to get Barack Obama elected:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2010/07/26/journolist-day-5-lets-campaign-for-obama/

    Not near as vile as what Breitbart did……..

  210. hippieprof says:

    Alfie said: Between Huck,me,Tex and you,you’re outnumbered and not going to find agreement.

    Yeah – Rutherford and Graychin seem to have gone AWOL – I am feeling pretty lonely here…

    😉

    HP would you agree that Obama and the Dems are clearly striving for a Social Democracy???

    Perhaps – I think Obama and Democrats envision something closer to a European-style social democracy than what we have. However, I suspect the target would be on the democratic side of social democracy, rather than on the social side. For example, full governmental control of health care – as you see in European nations – was never seriously on the table. I don’t see a push for a huge expansion in other social programs either. We aren’t pushing for what has (pejoratively) been called a social welfare state.

  211. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    ” I don’t see a push for a huge expansion in other social programs either.”

    You mean like the continuous extension of unemployment benefits and the expansion of medi-care?

  212. Alfie says:

    Well at least we have a base of understanding now which if everyone affords the other points for honesty is something to go on.
    I for one do not separate the two words so I find no wiggle room for nuance.I also fully meant the pursuit of the Euro style which the likes of Obama and Kerry have proven to be admirers of.
    I do believe America has a very well established welfare state.
    There is clearly a huge push for greater government involvement and control as well as the expansion of social programs,ya kinda blew me away there. From the overseeing of menus to the education funding expansions and on and on.
    On a side note i do think graychin is gone from here. Rutherford has gotten some work so will live at his place and Twitter.I should have my new pump online by Wednesday so I too can move on to more summery pursuits.
    Anyway…all still welcomed.

  213. Elric66 says:

    Devastating Video: Shirley Sherrod’s Husband Says “We Must Stop the White Man and Uncle Toms From Stealing Our Elections”…

    http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2010/07/sherrod-we-must-stop-the-white-man-and-his-uncle-toms-.html

    Not as bad as what Breitbart did

    /Moronic moderate talking point

  214. hippieprof says:

    An example of how the US system is different (and will remain different) from the European system just came to mind: Airbus.

    Airbus is for all intents and purposes a “nationalized” industry – with the added quirk that ownership is shared by several countries.

    There is absolutely no push to nationalize Boeing in a similar way – nor will there ever be.

  215. hippieprof says:

    Alfie said: There is clearly a huge push for greater government involvement and control as well as the expansion of social programs

    Indeed there is a push for some increase. However, we would have to DOUBLE our our rate of expenditure on social programs (as a percentage of GDP) to equal that of some of the European social democracies (France, for example).

    Nobody is pushing for us to double social expenditures.

  216. Alfie says:

    Acccctttuuuuuaaalllllyyyyyy….
    If you look at the recent actions that have buoyed the big time unionized lions of metro Seattle you may rethink that. Boeing has been the poster child for government intervention,mil-ind-complex for ages.
    Also I’ll let others debate the tech specs but the ongoing new tanker aircraft controversy shows something too. EADS btw is an AirBus company.

  217. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    “There is absolutely no push to nationalize Boeing in a similar way – nor will there ever be.”

    Unless, of course, they become a threat to fail. Then they will be given the “too big too fail” title, and partially nationalized like all the other entities that have been given the same title.

  218. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    “Indeed there is a push for some increase. However, we would have to DOUBLE our our rate of expenditure on social programs (as a percentage of GDP) to equal that of some of the European social democracies (France, for example).

    Nobody is pushing for us to double social expenditures.”

    1-Adam-12. Fast-moving goalposts reported. Please respond.

  219. Alfie says:

    earlier should say Airbus =EADS. Also EADS is publicly traded to a large degree. in fact governments own less of EADS than government own GM. 49% to 70%

  220. Elric66 says:

    Government hasnt taken over Boeing therefore there are no socialists/marxists running the country. Too funny.

  221. Alfie says:

    Moronic moderate talking point
    oh my god!…..
    Let it be said: I don’t have the time or desire to dispense intellectually honest dialog regards the civil rights movement,black liberation theology,Marxist-socialist doctrine and their interpretations by people who are either overtly racist,psychotic or commercially motivated to Pavlov the dogs.
    The Riehl view is a great example thereof.
    In the aftermath of editorial blindness Riehl & others must find their nigger boogeyman. Yet another partial YouTube with editorial enhancements reveals that a black man has a flair for drama.
    Shocking!-Not!

    His words there and any number of words and past acts that are of the public record allow people to make a decision for themselves,and that isn’t a bad thing.
    The continuous action of right wing entities to try to portray,purposefully,intentionally something to be the size peg for the hole THEY want??? That is a tragic,idiotic and quite frankly dangerous thing to do.

  222. Elric66 says:

    Keep going to bat for the enemy Alfie, you make a good dupe.

  223. Elric66 says:

    “In the aftermath of editorial blindness Riehl & others must find their nigger boogeyman.”

    Whats up with that? You calling conservatives that point out racists blacks as racists? Man you have no shame.

  224. hippieprof says:

    Huck said: 1-Adam-12. Fast-moving goalposts reported. Please respond.

    Huck, I tire of the “moving goalpost” accusations. I haven’t moved the goalposts at all. Instead, I suspect you missed the point I was trying to make.

    I claimed that Obama/Democrats may seek something similar to a European social democracy, but not as extreme. I claimed that there was no push to have extreme increases in social spending that would put us in line with social welfare states.

    You guys took exception to my claim.

    I countered by noting that we would need to see social expenditures double to equal that of European social democracies. QED.

    That is calling proving your point. No goalposts were moved.

  225. Alfie says:

    Elric your last two not worth my time
    Boeing is still alive due to loan guarantees from US Ex-IM bank. Pure doses of warped keynesian

  226. Elric66 says:

    “Elric your last two not worth my time”

    Of course not. Glad you learned some race baiting from your leftist friends. That was pretty good. Almost sounded like Greychin. Even learning how to avoid explaining your race baiting.

  227. hippieprof says:

    Huck said: Unless, of course, they become a threat to fail.

    Huck – lets run with that one a bit. Suppose indeed that Boeing were to be near bankruptcy. Would you seriously want to let them go under?

    That would mean surrendering the entirety of the commercial aircraft business to foreign companies, as well as a large chunk of the military aerospace industry.

    Do we really want to be buying our jet fighters from France?

    Most conservatives I know believe that a strong national defense is critical to preserving American values. If Boeing were to go under I suspect maintaining that strong defense would become a lot harder. Would you be willing to make that sacrifice?

  228. Alfie says:

    OK Elric…Fuck you. Please note you said a lot,in fact you summarized my point exactly,succinctly when you typed
    You calling conservatives that point out racists blacks as racists?

    Yeah I’m calling out every wanna be conservative/American who wants to sheet up and find black(or other shades) racists as opposed to those who want to stamp out racism.

  229. Alfie says:

    HP….flatter me, any comments on my Boeing related comments???
    You brought up the example and I don’t think it a good one.

  230. Alfie says:

    That would mean surrendering the entirety of the commercial aircraft business to foreign companies, as well as a large chunk of the military aerospace industry.

    Actually the degree to which Boeing outsources has already tarnished the false rah rah patriotic jingoism anybody should have regards our birds.

  231. hippieprof says:

    HP….flatter me, any comments on my Boeing related comments???
    You brought up the example and I don’t think it a good one.

    Alfie, I grew up in Seattle, so it is hard for me to criticize Boeing. As a kid about half of my friends had a father working for Boeing.

    I understand that Boeing gets some breaks from the government. I would also argue that it is the only thing keeping them competitive with Airbus – who – if not completely nationalized – are indeed heavily subsidized.

  232. Tex Taylor says:

    One of the dumber analogies I’ve seen a Lib make in a long time:

    You really seem to be ignoring the importance of context – so here is an exercise. You have posted thousands of messages on blogs – mine, Alfie’s, Rutherfords, etc. Quite a few of them are well reasoned, rational, and interesting. You are a smart guy. But, you periodically post really angry, nasty stuff too. If I went through and selectively chose ten or twelve of your nastiest posts and reprinted them out of context I could make you look like a real jerk.

    Completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand. This isn’t taking one person’s context out of message – and by the way, I would happily stand by anything I’ve left on any of these blogs. Feel free to 10 or 12 and make a post – I wouldn’t care.

    This was a coordinated effort by a host of supposedly professional journalists who are supposed to be providing objective and unbiased news and commentary to prime the Obama pump with a progressive meme, to mislead the general populace about Conservative personalities, and to slander and libel opponents. And this spanned the globe, including many Journalist Professors, who have exposed themselves not as instructors, but hacks.

    I’m not posting on your blog to represent anyone’s position but my own, and I certainly am not masquerading myself with pay as something I am not.

    How you can possibly excuse this JournOlist is beyond comprehension. Of the hundreds examples of collusion, you are using as defense thousands of junk comments, as if somehow the numerical ratio changes the sin. You must have to lie to yourself.

    But you are right. Depending on the subject at hand, you and Graychin Van Lumberjack jockey back and forth as most dishonest progressives I read on a regular basis – at least here. I swore of the editing, censoring Graychin’s blog some months back and haven’t been back, nor will I. Rutherford runs a very distant second.

  233. Elric66 says:

    “Yeah I’m calling out every wanna be conservative/American who wants to sheet up and find black(or other shades) racists as opposed to those who want to stamp out racism.”

    Greychin really rubbed off on you. 🙂

  234. Elric66 says:

    Tex,

    Thats what libs do. Excuse every vile and disgusting thing the left does. But we are suppose to throw our side under the bus for every slight. Doesnt seem like a winning strategy to me.

  235. hippieprof says:

    Tex said: Completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

    No, Tex – entirely relevant. My point is that you can take material out of context and make just about any point you want to make.

    You seem to want to ignore the multiple people who have described what went on at Journolist as (paraphrazing) “a rather wonkish conversation among people with like interests…..” – and that is from a CONSERVATIVE who went to the list LOOKING for a conspiracy.

    You had already absolutely convinced yourself there was a conspiracy before this all occurred – and are happy to find evidence for that conspiracy based on a tiny percentage of the emails on the site – a site that even people on your side describe as banal and boring. Talk about a self-fulfilling prophecy!

    BTW – Tex – I have decided that your definition of “intellectual dishonesty” comes down to “anything Tex does not agree with” – you don’t seem to have much room in your world for principled disagreement.

  236. Tex Taylor says:

    Not relevant in the least and you’re still not getting it – and I know you’re not dumb, so I can only surmise you’ve got your head stuck in the sand again and purposely have the left eye closed. This is no self fulfilling prophecy – this is being caught red handed and now guys like you attempting to minimize the damage. Not working Hippie, as this has gone viral and will continue to go viral.

    The JourO(bama)List may have been banal. It may have been wonkish. But when it came to the conversation of politics, no matter how small part, banal or wonkish it was a great majority of the time, it was pure collusion and evidentiary proof that there is indeed corruption in the mainstream media when it came to Obama. It’s now undeniable and you have been busted. You can minimize all you want, but this one ain’t going away.

    It doesn’t surprise me as many of these scumbags on JournO(bama) your professional colleagues. The one thing that even you can’t deny, though try as you must, is that now most of America, who understands the narrative before us, believes beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is indeed collusion as we’ve all known, but haven’t been able to prove with hard evidence until now.

    Principled disagreement with you? How can I have principled disagreement with you when I find you first and foremost dishonest to the bone? You’re a hack, a propagandist, a leftist intellect living a sheltered life of academia.

    For me to have a principled disagreement which I have had in past with both Alfie and Huck, there must first be a mutual respect that the opponent seeks truth. The fact is Hippie, though again likable and cordial, I believe in my heart of hearts, your dishonest, crooked with a self-serving agenda. 😐

  237. Elric66 says:

    The Democrat Race Lie

    http://www.black-and-right.com/the-democrat-race-lie/

    A real history lesson.

  238. hippieprof says:

    I believe in my heart of hearts, your dishonest, crooked with a self-serving agenda.

    Tex – this is where you do me a disservice. I honestly don’t have an agenda. I like playing around with ideas. I like debate. I like writing. I do what I do here because it entertains me. I have also said before – many times – that I learn new things by engaging in these debates. I like learning new things. That is the primary reason I was attracted to an academic career.

    I have a set of beliefs – yes – and I enjoy debating those beliefs – but an agenda? No.

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