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On Kagan and the myth she’ll be bringing something fresh to the SCOTUS

On Kagan and false views on the Arizona illegal immigration law

On the UK Election,the lead up and one of the big potential chunks of fallout

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119 Comments

  1. Alfie says:

    Of note the UK one could have the Euro symbol replace the LibDem one.

  2. graychin says:

    Quite a few commenters have remarked about the lack of “diversity” on the Court because of its domination by Harvard and Yale grads.

    (Not to mention the six Catholics – and Kagan would make the third Jew! Not a WASP in sight! Where’s the diversity?)

    But aren’t Harvard and Yale law grads the cream of the crop? Complaining about the lack of “diversity” because no one represents lower-tier law schools reminds me of what Sen. Roman Hruska said in defense of an unsuccessful Nixon nominee to the Court, charged with “mediocrity”:

    “”Even if he were mediocre, there are a lot of mediocre judges and people and lawyers. They are entitled to a little representation, aren’t they, and a little chance?”

  3. graychin says:

    Last time I checked, “Vatman” and “Robbin” would have to get that Value Added Tax through Congress. Good luck with that.

    Actually, all the VAT talk is just another stupid rumor spread to fire up gullible Tea Party types. They’re more than ready to believe anything bad that anyone says about Obama – no matter how crazy.

  4. Elric66 says:

    Obama: Yeah, I’m open to a VAT

    Yesterday, Obama left the door open on imposing a new federal sales tax in order to get more revenues to the federal government, reversing previous denials. CNBC notes that Barack Obama’s sudden U-turn on a value-added tax (VAT) has been carefully prepared by subtle changes in his rhetoric on protecting the middle class (emphasis mine):

  5. Alfie says:

    gray the vatman and robbin is from the Uk it is Cameron and Clegg. As for the US versions I think the right will play it for fear and the left will go with the win/win stance. Let me explain the latter. The Dems and their allies will talk about VAT if it goes they win. They will also downplay it and if it doesn’t pop they still win. The thing is though they’ll slide other taxes into play like cap and trade,other energy related or I suspect taxes and fees aimed throughout the financial and energy market.Sad.

  6. Alfie says:

    Also along the diversity lines. I think it is a gross stereotype that Yale and Harvard produce the best legal minds. If anything they represent a sick stereotype. they also clearly offer a certain brand and to call it the best is sick and un-American.I would think people on the Left would especially agree.

  7. graychin says:

    <i?The Dems and their allies will talk about VAT if it goes they win.

    Exactly how do we “win” if we get a VAT? I oppose a VAT, and I think that most other Dems do too.

    I thought you would favor a VAT, being for regressive taxation and all.

    I think it is a gross stereotype that Yale and Harvard produce the best legal minds.

    Funny that the top law schools disagree with you. What do you know that they don’t?

  8. graychin says:

    As for your video, being open to new ideas and putting them all “on the table” doesn’t translate to support in my world.

    But if you have a mild case of anti-Obama paranoia….

  9. Elric66 says:

    “I think it is a gross stereotype that Yale and Harvard produce the best legal minds.”

    Alfie, you are talking to an elitist drone.

  10. Alfie says:

    Sorry gray but I don’t think a majority of dems would fall away from supporting a US VAT. Your dems are unfortunately no better than the majority of gop folks who can’t take a stand without the ok and accompanying talking points from above. the Administration has people with brains and a couple of them have floated the idea of a VAT on economic terms. they were talked over and forced to distance their comments from official policy.So silence on a VAT or even mild opposition is only temporary.
    I actually do support a limited VAT. No more than 10% and not applied to the end user. I would use the proceeds to eliminate the debt.i would also require the elimination of certain other taxes to allow a VAT to be imposed. I am open to end user VAT only if state sales taxes are eliminated.
    My reasoning behind this is. 1. pay off the debt. 2. level the interstate economy into a united front against exports. 3. and there’s more but I’ve got some errands to do.

  11. Alfie says:

    That brand name jeans are not necessarily better than no name jeans made by the same process and materials and vendors. If you think only Harvard and Yale produce great legal minds well you’ve been duped and should be very careful of accusing anyone of lacking original thought.

  12. graychin says:

    Scalia – Harvard
    Thomas – Yale
    Roberts – Harvard
    Alito – Yale

    Even “conservatives” admire the Harvard / Yale pedigree.

  13. graychin says:

    Alfie, Democrats don’t like to pay taxes either. And a VAT would definitely fall harder on low-to-moderate income people than on the people who benefited from the Bush tax cuts.

    Republicans hate a VAT just as much as they hate all other taxes. Democrats WILL hate a VAT, the more they learn about it.

    The VAT is DOA, whether Obama thinks it’s a good idea or not.

  14. Elric66 says:

    “Democrats don’t like to pay taxes either.”

    True, just ask Charlie Rangell or Tim Geitner.

  15. graychin says:

    How can a VAT “not be applied to the end user”?

    I’m not a “brand name” kind of guy. I buy mostly store brands and no-name clothes.

    But I always buy Heinz ketchup and Hellman’s mayo. Because they’re better. I can tell the difference.

    And I think that the guys who run those big law firms can tell the difference between graduates of Harvard and Yale on the one hand, and a no-name school on the other hand. If they couldn’t they wouldn’t bid their salaries through the roof as they do.

  16. Tex Taylor says:

    The same ones assigning the scale are the same Harvard, Yale, and Princeton grads. I think Obama has put the wife’s tale to rest about how smart the Ivy League is. Of course, the Kennedy’s did long before that, but few noticed.

    Mary Jo was unavailable for comment.

  17. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    “But I always buy Heinz ketchup and Hellman’s mayo. Because they’re better. I can tell the difference. ”

    I hope you don’t live in New York City.

    “As for your video, being open to new ideas and putting them all “on the table” doesn’t translate to support in my world.”

    I remember when Bush left options “on the table” concering Iran and they were translated into his support, and even intentions. Not accusing you specifically of doing so, but plenty sure did.

    Did they have anti-Bush paranoia?

  18. Alfie says:

    I do like Heinz ketchup even if it does support John Kerry and the Steelers.

  19. Alfie says:

    VAT is charged to everyone in the line of production,distribution etc. I am for an up to 10% VAT on all that but at the register no. I fully understand that the %’s incurred get built into the price but I don’t support the separate 10% at the register. I’m rushing h ere so I hope that makes some sort of sense.

  20. Alfie says:

    I’m sorry I just can’t buy into the thought that only quality let alone high quality doctors,CEO’s or lawyers flow from the Ivy’s exclusively. In fact there is any number of examples that the opposite is true and that there are way too many folks that do the time to get the paper and the ability to charge the extra cheese. It’s crazy.

  21. Great finds on the ‘toons Alfie.

  22. Elric66 says:

    Alfie,

    He really sounds like your typical liberal elite, doesnt he?

  23. graychin says:

    No one said that “only” high-quality grads flow from Harvard and Yale, but the top grads from those schools are pretty good bets to be high achievers. Not even the law firms hire those grads sight-unseen. That’s what interviews and a “vetting” process are all about.

    I’m sure we can all think of people with a Yale degree and / or even an advanced degree from Harvard who turned out to be as dumb as a box of dirt. Clarence Thomas has a law degree from Yale, and guess who has a Yale degree plus a Harvard MBA?

    (Yes, Barack Obama has a magna cum laude J.D. from Harvard. Don’t mean shit, right?)

  24. Elric66 says:

    (Yes, Barack Obama has a magna cum laude J.D. from Harvard. Don’t mean shit, right?)

    Would if the POS would release his school records.

  25. Tex Taylor says:

    Barack Obama has a magna cum laude J.D. from Harvard

    Except I don’t believe it, and in fact believe the real record would show Obama a marginal student. What little we know of Obama shows him to be at best average intelligence. His undergraduate record should not even have given him consideration to a prestigious university – the ultimate affirmative action candidate.

    Taken into consideration Obama’s utter stupidity since elected, his apparent lack of breadth of any subject material, his inability to operate off the cuff, and his requirement for a teleprompter to address even school children, with his daily gaffes that make Dan Quayle look like sheer genius, I don’t think Obama bright at all – I think that is what the media wishes us to believe.

  26. Elric66 says:

    Tex,

    al-Thuggy is such a narcissist that if he really got good grades he would shove them in our faces. Given the daily Obamateurism we deal with, its likely he just got by.

  27. Tex Taylor says:

    Elric,

    al-Thuggy is such a narcissist that if he really got good grades he would shove them in our faces. Given the daily Obamateurism we deal with, its likely he just got by.

    I think it is worse than that. Obama didn’t just get by – I think Obama was assisted every step of the way by pretentious elitists wishing to present themselves in their sanctimonious manner as arbiters of fairness and justice. It’s not just Obama that is the narcissist – these ivory tower phonies are every bit as pretentious, and every bit as boastful.

    There are the two characteristics all liberals wish to present themselves as: (1) Intelligent and (2) Only they worthy of fairness in judgment. Obama provided the haughty PHDs at Harvard with the material to do so.

    There were two things the academics could not teach which Obama has in spades to carry out their own sanctimonious agenda: (1) Obama looks good; (2) Obama sounds good. The fact that Obama classified as a minority was the perfect fit.

    Obama provided the perfect caricature and in some ways the perfect rube of what these power brokers in academia want us all to believe. Trust me on this one – the academicians motives are anything but pure and they are pushing their godless, Marxist agenda thru the media called Obama.

  28. graychin says:

    Tex, you really are delusional. You can’t fake a magna from Harvard Law at Obama’s level of scrutiny. Doing that even catches up even with small fry like high school assistant principals and football coaches. Someone would have blown the whistle on him by now.

    You make it sound like a grand conspiracy that began in Kenya decades ago, continued with birth announcements in Hawaii newspapers, and helped along by godless academicians using Obama as their vehicle for consummating their Marxist agenda. That’s a pretty bizarre conspiracy theory, don’t you think? Worthy of a film starring Frank Sinatra and Angela Lansbury. I think your tinfoil hat is too tight.

    By the way, why are you even hanging out here. Are you stalking me? Just can’t get enough, eh?

  29. Tex Taylor says:

    Speaking of delusional…my Lawd you need some new humor. You use that tinfoil hat jig at least three times a day. Don’t you have an original thought Jack?

    By the way, why are you even hanging out here. Are you stalking me? Just can’t get enough, eh?

    I was here long before you Mr. Black. Perhaps it is you that stalks me. Besides, I baited you to these places so I could mock you as sport. 😉

    Magna cum laude can be many things to many people. Elric is right – this is a man that shows off an average jump shot. You think if this pompous ass for President was really that smart, he wouldn’t be advertising his GPA? Pull your head out of the sand and get your head in the game. This is politics Jack and nothing more. What little we know of Obama showed him a marginal talent in academics. This is the Stepford President – Obama can’t tell his daughters good night without a teleprompter. Obama’s gift is shuck and jive – with a raging case of megalomania.

    Grade inflation is rampant at Ivy Leagues and everyone knows it. This didn’t start in Kenya. It started with his sperm donor Daddy, continued along with the black racists and connected fools like Frank Marshal Davis, then assuaged by the Ivy League sanctimony under the guise of affirmative action.

    Any clear thinking American now recognizes Obama as a socialist – I’d call him Marxist but he hasn’t quite adopted Karl’s hate of religion (yet). It doesn’t make for good American politics, and when his career over (hopefully soon), then you’ll see the at hate of organized religion too.

  30. graychin says:

    For Republicans, a president can’t be the real deal unless he was a film star or a legacy.

    A loathing of self-made men? A preference for aristocracy?

    Socialism is still public ownership of the means of production. I haven’t seen any socialism since the GM bailout. Now the US taxpayers are majority owners of a car company. Not sure which administration did that – Bush or Obama.

  31. Tex Taylor says:

    I haven’t seen any socialism since the GM bailout.

    Well, at least we’re getting a partial admission of socialism. That’s progress, I guess.

    You mean the $49 billion mandated and funded by taxpayer bailout crammed through the Oval office to finance more UAW votes? Well, your memory is fogged this morning. You forgot the 2.4 Trillion socialist health care scheme rammed through against the wishes of the majority of the American public too.

    Then there were the Chrysler bondholders – screw them.

    A regular socialist would at least have the guts to clearly label his policy of nationalizing industries. Obama and the Democrats do it by stealth. True socialists just want to run the economy – Obama and his minions want to run your lives from cradle to grave. And they’ll put you there early to, if need be.

    The only jobs that will created will be government jobs, which do not create wealth but only spend taxpayers’ money.

    This is a massive redistribution of wealth and power to the government – we’ve seen how well that works in unions and public schools. A frickin government that once sold us Medicare – now 850% over what it was originally advertised. And many Americans are dumb enough to buy off on this because they can’t see past today and think only of their own well being.

    Liberalism in a nutshell – failure and massive cost overruns in the process. And you still haven’t given me the successes of liberalism Graychin.

  32. Tex Taylor says:

    shiite to/too

  33. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    Yeah, tell us some more how Harvard is full of the best legal minds in the country….

    WOBURN, MASS. — A Delaware man has been charged with faking his way into Harvard and duping the Ivy League school out of $45,000 in financial aid, grants and scholarships.

    Adam Wheeler, 23, of Milton, was admitted to Harvard and became a student in 2007 after he falsely claimed he had earned a perfect academic record at Phillips Academy in Andover, Mass., and had studied for a year at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, prosecutors said Monday.

    Ultimately, authorities said, Wheeler’s attempts to be an overachiever were his undoing: Harvard started to look into Wheeler’s background after he sought the school’s endorsement for Rhodes and Fulbright scholarships. A professor reviewing his application noticed similarities between Wheeler’s writing and that of another student, prosecutors said.

    Gee, if he hadn’t tried for those scholarships he might have gone on to become the editor of their law journal.

  34. Alfie says:

    On the other hand Huck there is this take.
    The Commonwealth of Mass. has finally successfully arrested someone chest deep in fraud,potential identity theft and larceny. He is native born and hails from Delaware.
    On the other side we housed,provided health care and money to an illegal alien who had three deportation orders against her and who has finally found a scumbag Chinese lawyer and pussy judge to reward her criminality and contempt for this nation with permission to stay. Hopefully she stays in Ohio. I speak of course of the POTUS’s step aunt.
    ONLY IN AMERICA!

  35. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    I think you’re missing the bigger point here, Alfie.

    The guy didn’t just apply to Harvard. He was accepted into Harvard. As the article states, Harvard only checked into his background after he applied for HUGE scholarships. They obviously did not do so when he was applying, or they would have found out then that he is a loser.

    It certainly gives one food for thought when considering we have a president who likes to brag up that he went to Harvard, but can’t produce a lick of evidence to show that he actually did a thing while he was there.

  36. graychin says:

    I’m convinced, HF. You have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that a Harvard degree is worth less than the paper it’s printed on.

    Of course the applicant wasn’t awarded a degree, but I can’t imagine what difference that makes…

    Does editing the Law Review while at Harvard Law count as a “lick of evidence”? There is plenty of evidence of that.

    Government ownership of GM actually IS socialism. I expect our stock to be sold on the open market in the next few years. We MIGHT even make money on the deal. I suggest that we use it to reduce the national debt rather than disclaiming it as the fruits of “socialism.”

  37. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    Sorry, but editing a law review while being unpublished only goes to reinforce the low standards Harvard places on students.

    Feel free to produce a lick of evidence to prove Barack Obama was actually worthy of that post. (that should be pretty difficult, considering Barack Obama can’t even do so)

  38. graychin says:

    If Obama hadn’t done what he says he did at Harvard, do you actually believe that trolls like yourself wouldn’t have ferreted it out by now.

    Yeah, I guess you do.

  39. Elric66 says:

    SO Graychin, why did al-Thuggy seal his school records? Seriously. Drones never answer that when I ask. You dont seal stuff you are proud of. You seal things because you dont want people to see it.

  40. Elric66 says:

    “I’d call him Marxist but he hasn’t quite adopted Karl’s hate of religion (yet).”

    He has a hate on for Christianity. Does that count?

  41. graychin says:

    I don’t know why Obama doesn’t unseal his school records. Perhaps it is to torment paranoid trolls such as yourself, who are just SURE that he has something to hide there. Or at least they hope so. Like he hides his “real” birth certificate.

    Maybe he’s just playing a clever game with you – keeping his irrational opposition all in a tizzy over nonsense like school records and birth certificates that so that the world can see that you guys are a bunch of nutjobs not to be taken seriously.

    Or maybe he got a “C” in contract law, and is ashamed of it. How the hell should I know?

    HF, the best evidence I can offer that Obama was worthy of the post of editor of the Harvard law review is that his peers there voted for him to have it. I mean, there it is! It’s an undeniable fact – unless you think that ACORN stole that election for him too. 😀

    You guys seem to be alleging some kind of a grand conspiracy to make him the Kenyan Candidate – for no particular reason and with no particular evidence, but just because you don’t like him.

    Take a step back and look at what you are saying. Some people in this discussion are obviously delusional, and I’m not one of them.

  42. graychin says:

    Breaking news:

    Paul defeats Grayson for the Republican Senate nomination in Kentucky. Paul says he may not support McConnell for another term as Republican leader. (McConnell may well be the best and brightest in the Republican caucus. Who can ever replace him?)

    Paul’s strange libertarian politics may not be strange enough to keep Kentucky from electing him, but he may well push some undecided voters towards the Democrat in the race – whoever he is.

    Meanwhile, Pennsylvania Democrats have rejected party-switching opportunist Arlen Specter in favor of Joe Sestak, an EXTREMELY attractive candidate. I expect an easy win for Sestak in November against Pat Toomey, a Tea Party type who LOST TO SPECTER the last time he ran.

    Blanche Lincoln will have to endure a runoff to win the Democratic nomination for senate in Arkansas. Since more than half of the voters voted against her on Tuesday, one would have to say that her chances are poor. Arkansas still looks like a sure Republican pickup in November, but it probably depends on which of the eight primary candidates is chosen by Arkansas Republicans. Arkansas Republicans are a strange and unpredictable bunch.

    Republicans had hoped to pick up a congressional seat in PA formerly held by Jack Murtha. Oops – it didn’t happen. A harbinger of November? Is all that Republican optimism misplaced? Stay tuned.

    I’m looking forward to the Republican Senate primary in Arizona, coming soon. I think that some Old Growth Timber is going to fall.

  43. So, Elric is a troll?

    Yeah, right! Let’s see? Maybe failed more than contract law? Perhaps Macro as well as Micro Economics? And, while we are at it? Why are both his and his wife’s law licensees currently suspended graychin? An “Editor” with no track record? At all? By the way, if he is indeed a lawful candidate for POTUS then why hide the pertinent records?

    Delusional? Both Alfie as well as myself hold certifications that would allow us to place an individual on an M1 hold, and you sir, look borderline for the threshold…

  44. graychin says:

    McCain carried Murtha’s district over Obama in 2008. Yet the same district elected a DEMOCRAT on Tuesday?

    Hmmmmm…..

  45. graychin says:

    Why “hide” the records? To drive you nuts, just as I said above.

    I always have suspected that shrinks chose that profession because they were looking for answers of their own. And you, Sir, have said nothing to doubt my suspicion.

  46. graychin says:

    to MAKE ME DOUBT my suspicion

  47. Elric66 says:

    “Hmmmmm…..”

    Yep, dems are racists, who knew?

  48. Elric66 says:

    “Why “hide” the records? To drive you nuts, just as I said above.”

    Yeah, thats it moron.

  49. Elric66 says:

    “You guys seem to be alleging some kind of a grand conspiracy to make him the Kenyan Candidate – for no particular reason and with no particular evidence, but just because you don’t like him.”

    No, its because so much of his early life is sealed. Really odd. Also odd that for such a historic candidate that no ex girlfriend has ever been interviewed or stepped forward. You would think for such a historic candidate, people would want to know about his life. Hell, al-Thuggy couldnt even remember where he first met his wife.

  50. graychin says:

    He met her when she was assigned to supervise him at the law firm where they both worked. What the hell are you talking about.

    The delusions are getting worse all the time….

  51. Elric66 says:

    He said something else when he was speaking to a Russian audience a few months back.

    But I do thank you for pointing out the racists dems in Murtha’s district. 🙂

  52. graychin says:

    I was pointing out that the Dems just won a congressional district that went for McCain,which seems to be a bad sign for Republicans in November. Simple as that.

    No one said anything about racists besides you, Elric. Maybe the voters are just fed up with Republicans. Do you have race on the brain or something?

  53. graychin says:

    There have been seven special elections for U.S. House seats since the Obama’s inauguration. Democrats have won all seven.

    Where is the Republican “wave” that everyone is expecting?

  54. Elric66 says:

    “I was pointing out that the Dems just won a congressional district that went for McCain,which seems to be a bad sign for Republicans in November. Simple as that. ”

    I was pointing out that a district that voted for a white dem for 40 years opted not to vote for a dem presidential candidate because he is “black”. Simple. Guess Murtha was right. His district is racist.

  55. Alfie says:

    PA Election:
    District is one of the most gerry mandered in the USA.
    PA voters no less corrupt compared to any number of their peers when it comes to looking for pork etc.
    Special elections for House seats hardly likely to produce party change.
    Specter v Sestak:
    Specter is a pos thatthe people finally jettisoned..
    Sestack is indeed a quality candidate but not a shoe in.
    PA will be a battlefield

  56. Tex Taylor says:

    The best thing to do with hyperbolic old rubes like Graychin is simply be patient. November 2010 will be here quick enough and the verdict will be in.

    You’ve got to remember that Graychin literally sits in the reddest of red states where Obama couldn’t even win one county out of seventy-seven. These libs fill their day bad mouthing anything and everything about the state. But they never leave.

    It’s like Obama’s economic and foreign policy restoring “America’s” greatness. There’s a great deal of flapping of the wings, squawking loudly about successes, jumping around in circles, but at the end of the day, the only thing that is left is a bigger pile of shit with libs still sitting in it. The key is to make sure you can still walk around their piles.

    Just set all these little tidbits of Graychin’s wisdom to memory.

    Nothing is sweeter than watching an old rube go apoplectic when you use his own words against him later. 😉

  57. Elric66 says:

    Im really surprised Specter just didnt go independent. That actually would have gave him the best chance of winning. He cant pull a Charlie Crist and do it now. PA law says you can only run once.

  58. Alfie says:

    What do Corzine,Deeds,Coakley,Specter &Lincoln have in common?
    I also reiterate and stand by my earlier comment that special House Elections are not a place to look for change.

  59. Elric66 says:

    Alfie,

    No its not. Its the dem and rep incumbents that have to worry. If these dems that won these elections fall in line with Pelosi, they wont been in office long. Also telling that the dem in PA 12 ran to the right. Also al-Thuggy didnt stump for him. Guess he didnt want to ruin the guys chance.

  60. Elric66 says:

    BTW Did Lincoln get knocked out? Havent read anything about that primary.

  61. Alfie says:

    She has to go to a run-off.

  62. Elric66 says:

    I guess that is kinda good news. She needs to go as well. Hopefully she will lose the run off.

  63. graychin says:

    I hope so too. Her Democratic opponent will be the Lieutenant Governor. He is well know and well liked, and probably has a better chance of winning the general election.

    But it’s gonna be tough for a Dem to win in Arkansas. But not impossible. Arkansas hasn’t gone as “red” as Oklahoma.

  64. graychin says:

    You guys might enjoy the latest post on my blog: “What ever happened to the Class of ’94?”

    http://thegreatspot.wordpress.com/

  65. graychin says:

    Something to remember as Republicans look forward to taking over Congress in November with another episode of sweeping in the crumbs.

  66. Elric66 says:

    Heh….The drone cant answer my question so he tries pimping his blog. Sorry drone. Why go over there so you can dodge my questions? I’ll stay put. 🙂

  67. Alfie says:

    Something to remember as Republicans look forward to taking over Congress in November with another episode of sweeping in the crumbs.
    From a strict citizen standpoint you can apply a variation the (D)’s methinks.
    You may be unaware of it but your partisanship actually shows some of which a lot of your fellow citizens feel in the anti incumbent/accountability thing that is going on now.
    There is a sword swinging peeps and it swings both ways.

  68. graychin says:

    Elric, I’ve told you before and I’ll tell you again – I’m not your monkey, and I don’ t plan to respond to all of your stupid questions.

    Now f#$@ off.

    ***edit doesn’t help much but that too must swing both ways***

  69. Elric66 says:

    Typical drone response. You cant answer why the Palis had 20 years to have a statehood and nothing happened. You didnt answer because my question slices through all the Pali BS. You also didnt enlighten us on “Palestine”. Thanks for playing chump. 🙂

  70. graychin says:

    I think that the analysis of this election as “anti-incumbent” is much overdone.

    After a long career as a Republican, Specter lost a Democratic primary to a real Democrat. The TV commercials showing Bush bragging on Specter were devastating. Anti-incumbent?

    Blanche Lincoln has abandoned her base in Arkansas, so they supported someone else. Anti-incumbent?

    Jack Murtha’s seat was won by Jack Murtha’s aide. Anti-incumbent?

    Meanwhile, what is going on in the Republican Party? McConnell’s hand-picked candidate to replace the senator that McConnell forced out lost BADLY to an ophthalmologist with zero political experience.

    Utah Republicans just rejected a reliable conservative for someone even MORE conservative.

    And then there’s poor Charlie Crist.

    Thinning the herd?

  71. graychin says:

    Sorry, Alfie. I promise to clean it up. But I left another F-bomb in another thread.

    My bad.

  72. Alfie says:

    In full I said anti incumbent/accountability thing
    So I think your examples show that.Perhaps I should have not used incumbent since “establishment” seems to capture it even better. To that I think your examples clearly hold up well.

  73. Elric66 says:

    “poor Charlie Crist”

    Yeah the POS committed political suicide. Good riddance. You drones can have him.

  74. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    “You guys seem to be alleging some kind of a grand conspiracy to make him the Kenyan Candidate – for no particular reason and with no particular evidence, but just because you don’t like him.”

    Whoa, whoa, whoa. Back that horse up right now.

    I have NEVER given even the slightest hint that I think Barack Obama is a “Kenyan candidate.” Bringing up his sealed transcripts in a discussion about his education and where he got it is a lot different than implying he is not constitutionally qualified to hold the office he holds.

    And I am afraid I am unimpressed with the fact that Obama was elected to hold that post. He was elected to hold the post he holds now. For all I know, he had little to no competition, as with the last election he won.

    “McCain carried Murtha’s district over Obama in 2008. Yet the same district elected a DEMOCRAT on Tuesday?”

    Are you aware you stupid this comment is?

    The same district that elected Democrat John Murtha to represent it for years elected another Democrat to represent it on Tues. That is all that happened.

    If you want to make a fair comparison, then close your trap until 2012, and then look at how that district votes in the next presidential election.

    “There have been seven special elections for U.S. House seats since the Obama’s inauguration. Democrats have won all seven.”

    There have been a few elections for senators and governors since that time, too. But I can see why you’d want to forget about that.

  75. Elric66 says:

    “The same district that elected Democrat John Murtha to represent it for years elected another Democrat to represent it on Tues. That is all that happened.”

    Kinda odd that such a staunch demomarxist district didnt support a “black”demomarxist presidential candidate.

  76. graychin says:

    Yeah, I doubt that Obama had much competition at Harvard Law for that review editor job. Even Obama would have shined brilliantly among that dull crowd.

    My statement about Murtha’s district made no conclusion. It stated a fact. An undeniable fact. Facts are only stupid when Republicans find them inconvenient.

    What? McCain wasn’t the best candidate available to the Republican Party in 2008? Who was? And why wasn’t he nominated? And how badly would he have defeated Obama?

    Sorry for accusing you of “birtherism.” I’m happy to learn that you aren’t THAT deranged. But you have to admit – some of this “hidden transcript” stuff sometimes sounds a whole lot like “Where’s the Birth Certificate? All I see is a Certificate of Live Birth.”

    I don’t plan to keep my trap shut until November. Or after. 😀

  77. graychin says:

    There have been a few elections for senators and governors since that time, too. But I can see why you’d want to forget about that.

    I hadn’t forgotten about Scott Brown, or his pathetic Democratic opponent and her lazy, inept campaign. I wasn’t aware of any other Senate or Governor elections this year. Please enlighten me.

  78. Alfie says:

    gray you’re killing me again….
    Scott Brown won because he ran a campaign people wanted to see and feel. Coakley gets too easy a pass when she is simply brushed off as having been inept. She was a pompous donkey who presumed she was the anointed one.This is very much related to to the points we have made regard the recent elections and their respective drivers.

  79. graychin says:

    Alfie, I agree with everything you just said about Coakley.

    There you go.

  80. Alfie says:

    more killing??????
    Yeah, I doubt that Obama had much competition at Harvard Law for that review editor job. Even Obama would have shined brilliantly among that dull crowd.
    He won 219-212

    My statement about Murtha’s district made no conclusion. It stated a fact. An undeniable fact. Facts are only stupid when Republicans find them inconvenient.
    Others comments regards Murtha’s district equally true. Do you find them inconvenient?

    What? McCain wasn’t the best candidate available to the Republican Party in 2008? Who was? And why wasn’t he nominated? And how badly would he have defeated Obama?
    Romney,Mormon,dependent on VP much like in 2012

  81. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    OK, for starters, let’s not move the goalposts.

    “There have been seven special elections for U.S. House seats since the Obama’s inauguration. Democrats have won all seven.”

    Obama was inaugurated in Nov 2008, not this year.

    New Jersey gov. Chris Christie (R) defeated Jon Corzine (D) in a 2009 election.
    Virginia gov. Bob McDonnell (R) defeated Creigh Deeds (D) in a 2009 election.

    That’s just a couple examples off the top of my head. And I am afraid that is all the research on the topic I am willing to give.

  82. graychin says:

    Well done, Huck. I had forgotten about those two governors.

    There is only one Senate election since 2008 – won by Brown over Coakley.

    Romney? He might run well in an election, but he can’t be nominated. His principles are too, er… , flexible. What about a Romney / Jeb Bush ticket? Or a Romney / Palin ticket? The mind reels!

    Obama DID have competition for the Law Review job. How about that!

    That doofus Eldrick wants to blame racism for Obama’s loss in Murtha’s district. Maybe, maybe not. Who knows?

  83. Elric66 says:

    That doofus Eldrick wants to blame racism for Obama’s loss in Murtha’s district. Maybe, maybe not. Who knows?”

    I was just applying progressive “logic”. You drones want to play race politics so Im returning the favor. Besides even Murths said his district was racist. Sucks doesnt it? 🙂

  84. graychin says:

    Murtha’s district is racist? If you say it is, then I agree that it sucks.

    Elric, you probably have a point in there somewhere. If you do, I have no idea what it is.

  85. graychin says:

    The big news from Kentucky last night may not have been Rand Paul’s “Tea Party” inspired victory over McConnell’s hand-picked candidate. Lost in the hoopla was the Democratic Senate primary, in which AG Jack Conway defeated Lt. Gov. Daniel Mongiardo. Conway is generally considered the more progressive of the two Democrats.

    You’ve heard of the supposedly huge “enthusiasm gap” that favors Republicans this year? Check this out: 520,412 Democrats voted in the Kentucky primary, versus only 351,927 Republicans. And Rand Paul may be too irredeemably weird to win a general election, even in Kentucky.

    Some of you who are already counting your chickens over that big Republican victory in November might oughta tone down your gloating. Maybe even the “liberal” media will eventually notice that they’ve been playing the wrong tunes about 2010. This primary was NOT a rejection of incumbents. It was NOT a purge of moderates. It WAS unadulterated good news for the progressive movement.

  86. Tex Taylor says:

    It WAS unadulterated good news for the progressive movement.

    😆 I want you to keep believing that you pointy headed dimwit – you’re always wrong. You and the seven people that sit in front of Keith Olbermann TV keep repeating that. All it does it prove that people are moving to two opposite poles – we clean out the RINO’s; you clean out the BLUE Dogs.

    The candidate in PA-12 that one ran right of the Republican candidate – 100% rating from the NRA, prolife, etc…that was hardly a progressive win numb nuts.

    Unless things dramatically change, you’re going to get your clocks cleaned come November. The economy is tanking further as I told you would, unemployment will continue to rise, Iran is going to explode and you cowards will pee in your pants, and people’s memories are short as about Labor Day, I will start to remind thousands of that shit health care policy Bongo passed which will bankrupt the country.

    And I predict at that time, you’ll finally fade into the termite infested lib woodwork from which you came. You’re about as popular in Oklahoma as the clap – even the one Dim phony for Congress and your rep is running from President Impotent. Not even you can deny that.

  87. Tex Taylor says:

    won/one

  88. Elric66 says:

    Tex,

    Things will get worse. Inflation is due to hit.

  89. graychin says:

    “Consumer inflation has all but disappeared, the government reported Wednesday. The Federal Reserve may now be emboldened to keep interest rates at record lows well into next year — and possibly into 2012.”

    google dot com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hn4UUi7T4BYSDsKoTIL2C4gzWgHAD9FQFF501

    Keep trying, Elric. It’s impossible to be wrong ALL the time.

  90. graychin says:

    Tex – all those disasters are in your hopes, not your fears. I will hate for you to be disappointed. 😀

    Your greatest fear is that things might actually go well for America between now and November, between now and 2012. If you turn out to be wrong about Obama and a Democratic Congress, you might never recover from your severe case of cognitive dissonance.

    I know you can’t even conceive of the possibility of you being wrong, but trust me – it could happen!

  91. graychin says:

    It looks like the Republicans may be in the process of handing a safe Senate seat in Kentucky to the Democratic caucus. Rand Paul takes his daddy’s oddness to a whole new level of crazy.

    We should start asking Republicans all around the country: “”Your party’s Senate candidate in Kentucky has a problem with the Civil Rights Act. Do you think he’s right or wrong?”

  92. Elric66 says:

    “Keep trying, Elric. It’s impossible to be wrong ALL the time.”

    Well if the government said so, it must be true. Drone. Ill go with history. Printing money like its going out of style always leads to inflation.

  93. graychin says:

    “Printing money like its going out of style always leads to inflation.”

    Exactly. But during a deep recession, printing money helps prevent the even worse phenomenon of DEflation. Deflation makes everyone stop spending while they wait for even lower prices, worsening the recession. Herbert Hoover learned that the hard way.

    Of course you knew all that.

    By the way – where IS the inflation?

  94. Elric66 says:

    “By the way – where IS the inflation”

    Its coming. Just like all this spending will catch up with us, just like Greece.

  95. Tex Taylor says:

    My biggest fear is that America doesn’t wake up listening to fools like you who gave us an empty shirt called Obama – an idiot who has proven from every angle he’s not only stupid, but dangerous. Everything you are seeing now is a facade. There is no economic recovery and people are tapped. It is obvious you clowns win elections by buying votes, and if the game doesn’t stop, America will cease to exist as we know it.

    You may think you’re a financial whiz Jack Sr., but I can prove you wrong about inflation with one simple fact. Gold prices. Inflation rates are artificially low – anyone with a brain knows it. You’re the same ignoramus not less than three weeks ago was bragging about the pseudo-socialist model of Europe and how Obama was smart to follow it. How does Europe look now fool?

    And if you’re so sure about your politics, why don’t we place a bet? I say the next Sen. of Kentucky has Paul behind his name? Want to place your bet Eucha?

  96. Elric66 says:

    “and if the game doesn’t stop, America will cease to exist as we know it. ”

    Tex, thats what the drones want.

  97. graychin says:

    If Republican candidates are going to replace Democrats en masse in November, don’t you think they are going to have to start being less suicidal?

    I already talked about Rand Paul in Kentucky. He may turn out to be terminally weird.

    The conventional wisdom was that Harry Reid was dead meat in Nevada. That was before his Republican opponent, Sue Lowden, began to self-destruct. First it was her ridiculous “pay your doctor with a chicken” statement and her effort to stand by it instead of walking it back. Now she has to defend herself from “RV-gate” – having accepted an RV as a campaign donation from an already maxed-out donor in apparently direct violation of Nevada law.

    And now, the Staten Island Republican Party has bypassed two other candidates to overwhelmingly nominate Vito Fossella for his old congressional seat. You remember Fosella, don’t you? We learned in 2008 that the conservative Republican lawmaker had a secret second family, including a secret love child, separate from his wife and kids in New York. This came to light after a DUI charge in Virginia that led to some jail time for Fossella.

    Fosella sounds like a winner to me! A man to whom “family values” are so important that he had two of them! 😀

    Seriously – what are Republicans thinking?

  98. Tex Taylor says:

    Just as Graychin is scolding us for doubting Progressive greatness and how the economy on solid ground due to Obama Policy and historical note, I read this:

    Stocks Tumble Amid Global Jitters, Economy Woes- AP

    The stock market is extending its sharp slide after disappointing employment news added to investors’ already bleak view of the world economy.

    Who knew there really were alternative universes?

  99. Tex Taylor says:

    Graychin,

    Did you know you are committing heresy at this very minute. Your bible, the New York Times, doesn’t agree with your assessment. You need to write them and correct them.

    Interest Rates Have Nowhere to Go but Up

  100. Elric66 says:

    Chuck Schumer next Senate Democratic leader?Share posted at 12:55 pm on May 20, 2010 by Ed Morrissey
    printer-friendly How damaged has Harry Reid become in his re-election fight? Chuck Schumer may not be measuring the drapes to take over as the leader of the Senate Democratic caucus, but he’s starting to campaign already, according to the Washington Post. He’ll have to push Dick Durbin out of the way, but for a man who seems to have no problem stampeding over the man with the job at the moment, Durbin’s #2 position shouldn’t present much of an obstacle:

    LOL

  101. Elric66 says:

    Election 2010: Kentucky Senate
    Kentucky Senate: Paul 59%, Conway 34%
    Thursday, May 20, 2010

    Rand Paul, riding the momentum of his big Republican Primary win on Tuesday, now posts a 25-point lead over Democrat Jack Conway in Kentucky’s U.S. Senate race, but there’s a lot of campaigning to go.

    LOL

  102. Tex Taylor says:

    Elric,

    😆 Graychin is a tool. The very definition of useful idiot. Treat him as such.

    The bummer is, now that you’ve posted that, I guess this is another bet Jack Sr. won’t take. And with the Obama market tanking like a repeat of 2008, I could have used a few bucks.

    Oh well, I guess my 2nd place prize will be with Jack Sr. left with egg on his face – emptier in the pocket book thanks to his hero President Zerobama, but with the memories of pointing fingers and laughing at Jack Graychin indelibly etched into my memory. Laughter is the best medicine indeed.

  103. Elric66 says:

    Tex,

    I almost feel sorry for him. Sad he is so beholden to a party that he cant think independently..

  104. graychin says:

    Interest rates have “nowhere to go but up”? Well, when they stand at zero I don’t find that announcement to be very surprising.

    Conway / Paul: “but there’s a lot of campaigning to go.” Duh. The loser in the Democratic primary had more votes than Paul did.

    Tex, you’re gonna lose your rear if you don’t stop obsessing over day-to-day fluctuations in the stock market. But if you want to talk presidents and stock market, you’re on:

    http://blogs.reuters.com/globalinvesting/2009/01/16/the-end-of-the-bush-stock-market/

    Like Harry Truman said, if you want to live like a Republican, you’d better vote Democratic. 😀

  105. Alfie says:

    chin that static chart means little when added to other data. Your dislike of Tex and one upsmanship stunts you.
    Also just one of many nuggets realists can offer:
    Bill Clinton had little to do with the causes of the 1990s’ economic expansion: low inflation, low oil prices, a computer and Internet boom, a stock market boom. The claim made for Clintonomics is that paring the federal budget deficit in 1993 provided the essential catalyst by reducing interest rates. But long-term rates in 1994 were actually higher than in 1993. Many forces affect rates aside from the budget deficit: inflation and inflationary expectations, saving behavior, Federal Reserve policy, overall credit demand.

    Clinton’s contribution was self-restraint. Unlike Nixon and Carter, he didn’t meddle with the Fed. He was a “conservative” in a pragmatic way. He knew when to leave well enough alone.
    Samuelson

  106. Tex Taylor says:

    Alfie,

    You have to remember who you are dealing with concerning Graychin. He’s first an foremost an old goober that from a young age was taught to worship at the footstool of FDR. Though Oklahoma the reddest of red states, there is a pocket of yellow Dog Democrats from Graychin’s part of the hill that literally are eaten up with rage at anybody wouldn’t find their nanny state thinking gospel. They have for years bankrupt this state. Look up Little Dixie for further info. This was taught to Graychin by mommy and daddy who were part of FDR gravy train – and I’ll assure you Graychin has carried forth with his own.

    You will not be able to get Graychin to admit the failures of anything with a ‘D’ beside its name and he has said as much right here. There is nothing objective about Graychin.

    However, the one thing I cannot condemn Graychin for is his dislike of me. I have found him a loathsome creature from the get go and have given him every reason to dislike me, namely because I can find nothing redeeming or edifying about the man. Seldom have I conversed with somebody I can no common ground – but this is the one.

    I have plucked his nose so many times, Graychin is left with nothing but the attempt to payback or one up. On that accord, I share in the blame. 😉

  107. Alfie says:

    33% turnout.
    Dems do outnumber repubs
    there are only 180+k “others” so there isn’t a lot of indie swing
    **update**Govs trend D. State govt D Congressional Delegation predominantly R
    Alfie analysis=Paul can win

  108. Tex Taylor says:

    Tex, you’re gonna lose your rear if you don’t stop obsessing over day-to-day fluctuations in the stock market.

    Now is this from the same man who sings the praises of Social Security as recently as this week vs. the ability of the individual to invest a part of his own FICA? 😆

    Ah, you’re too much. Just three days ago, I told you of the beauty of the stock market and used your own comparison of the value of investment vs. Social Security. Was it not me who said I’ll ride the market and have since 1980? Does that sound obsessed with day to day fluctuations? This makes the third time in ten years I’ve ridden the wave.

    Was it not you that just last month was singing the praises of the Euro?

    Yes, I certainly do remember investing as a young man under a Democratic President – I think Carter was his name and I don’t remember economic good times – Wall Street, or employment.

  109. Alfie says:

    Additional update on KY senate race.
    Conways platform is total crap but will be eaten up by the sheep

  110. graychin says:

    Tex, what on earth ever gave you the idea that I don’t like you? I never called you “inherently evil.” If I didn’t like you I wouldn’t even be here.

    I have pointed out that by your own admission your thought processes are the product of a “lifetime of study” of Apologetics, a peculiar discipline in which one sets out to prove what one already believes. I have pointed out that you are an excellent example of the kind of person who gives Christianity a bad name. And I have rarely encountered anyone with such bizarre opinions who is simultaneously so sure that he is always right – even when he can’t distinguish an Arab from a Muslim, an Irishman from a Catholic, or his a-hole from his elbow.

    Actually, I try to approach your strange personality from a Christian perspective: Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness. Whoever loves his brother lives in the light, and there is nothing in him to make him stumble (1 John 2:9-10).

    You’re a hoot. That’s what you are!

  111. graychin says:

    Alfie analysis=Paul can win.

    A far cry from “Paul WILL win.”

  112. graychin says:

    Tex, since you have shown that you maintain an extensive archive of my past comments, you may notice that I never expressed admiration of the Euro. All that I said was that the US might learn a thing or two from what has worked in European countries, and I thought that statement was a tautology, nothing controversial.

    One more time – wouldn’t you consider arguing against my real opinions instead of the ones that you make up?

  113. graychin says:

    Alfie – re: Samuelson

    Economists have differing opinions. I respect Samuelson, but I disagree with his analysis in this case.

    Tex Taylor thinks that the Clinton boom was due to Ronald Reagan. Reagan gave us the Clinton boom right after he hung the moon. 😀

    As I say, opinions differ. But the results? There they are. Make of them what you will.

  114. Tex Taylor says:

    Graychin,

    You seem to be terribly confused as to what Apologetics means. You seem to think your mocking clever, but you fail to recognize your only demonstrating your own ignorance.

    Here is what you keep saying over and over and over…kind of like your two or three lines of humor you’ve memorized. So let me “take off my tin foil hat” and try to explain this one more time:

    Apologetics is a theological discipline that seeks to defend and commend the Christian faith. Unlike your defense without proof of practically every facet of you mindset i.e – your politics, I must assume you too stupid that recognize defending something requires proof – not how “you feel” about things like progressives do. That is your weakness. You never demonstrate critical thought. It’s simply your opinions about how “you feel” about things. If that troubles you, I can understand your confusion and moral bankruptcy much better.

    Now, about me not recognizing a Muslim from an Arab, I can’t. In fact, I don’t know how anyone can without asking. You must have me confused about Irish and Catholic. Finally, I have this strange hunch I have forgotten more anatomy than you will ever know. I’d be happy to put that to the test.

    P.S. – you’re confusing your own statements which is becoming a pattern with you. I know you the congenital liar, but perhaps to save time you can educated me what “the US might learn a thing or two from what has worked in European countries.” Now I have copied your words exactly. Please try to remain simple and still comply to the best of your limited abilities.

    And if you can show me where I said the Clinton boom is attributable to Ronald Reagan, please do so.

  115. graychin says:

    “And if you can show me where I said the Clinton boom is attributable to Ronald Reagan, please do so.”

    Google doesn’t find it, but I’m sure that you said something like that in the course of our discussion on the “accomplishments” of conservatism.

    But if I have misquoted you, and you now believe that Reagan and his voodoo economics was NOT responsible for the Clinton boom, then we are in complete agreement.

    If you can tell the difference between an Irishman and a Catholic, then you really ought to be able to tell the difference between an Arab and a Muslim. If you can’t, then I really doubt your ability to tell your a-hole from your elbow, no matter how much anatomy you say that you have studied.

    Apologetics is a theological discipline that seeks to defend and commend the Christian faith.

    I merely said that Apologetics is “a peculiar discipline in which one sets out to prove what one already believes.” What is the difference between our two statements?

  116. Tex Taylor says:

    Google doesn’t find it because it doesn’t exist.

    Reagan started the good times, Bush and Clinton stayed out of the mechanism that led to the good times and both were a benefactor of serendipity, Samuelson is right and you are wrong, and that voodoo economics led to 26 years of unparalleled economic growth. The last person that tried to pen the term “voodoo economics” on Reagan got relegated to Vice President for a time. You lost. Only the few last remaining clods (like you) deny the achievements of Reagan. If nothing, you’re consistently wrong but consistent – and meaningless like your existence.

    You have me confused with Alfie I believe concerning your Irishmen Catholic parallel. If you’re going to make false charges, at least have the courtesy to charge the right person.

    Why “proving what you already believe” is peculiar, I’ll never know. The fact that a defense of a believe requires proof is called evidentiary evidence – something you apparently still don’t understand. Like a good lib, throw out the law when it doesn’t fit your preconceived feelings; therefore, I wouldn’t expect you to understand the concept of evidence. Yes, I think you are that muddled.

    Finally, I can certainly see why you think I represent a poor example of the Christian faith. You should. You are used to debating with lightweights on the T-World board who preach “For God so loved the world…”, then you hammer them your supposed “contradictions” and most do get confused. Tip of the hat, but not all of us are that lame sport. You go seeking to mock and now you’ve got somebody that can bloody your ugly nose and loves doing so.

    Frankly, you’re not used to the end of a finger poking directly back in your face,with the ability to deal with your slander and lies. If you were simply a lost soul with good heart, my approach would be quite different. The fact that I am harsh with you is a rebuke to your own bullying and mockery. I only play your little game. And you are a cowardly bully, seeking out the easiest victims.

    Game on…you pick the stakes.

  117. graychin says:

    I don’t have you confused with Alfie at all. Equating Muslims with Arabs is no different from equating Catholics with Irish. Even you should be able to see that.

    I guess we don’t need Google now that you have repeated your earlier argument about Reagan being responsible for the Clinton boom.

    The “game” to which you devote most of your time here is your extended ranting about my personal life. That is a game I try to avoid playing at all. It only makes you look even more foolish than your contempt for all things progressive would on its own.

    One of these days your compadres here will start to wonder about you, and why everything is always about ME with you. If they don’t already wonder.

  118. Tex Taylor says:

    Only an arrogant old fool would believe brash statements about “me”, as in you are about you specifically.

    I answer your ignorance and frivolous charges because you are a rank propagandist and your continual lies must be challenged. Add to the fact you’re a bully, and I rather enjoy punching you in the mouth. And old trick I learned on the playground – bullies don’t like to be bullied.

    As you will find out one day soon when you depart this word for the eternal places of wailing and gnashing of teeth, the earth is going to keep right on spinning without you, and few people will notice you’re gone besides immediate family and your one blog member friend.

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