Dhimmi?Dummy?Thinker! Impending Honor Killing Alert?

The newly crowned Miss USA is a Muslim,24 y/o Rima Fakih of Dearborn, Michigan. That’s Dearborn as in Dearbornistan in some corners.

She hails from a Lebanese family who observe both Muslim and Christian practices. APOSTATE!

Other than tripping on her gown it has been noted wardrobe wise that she was stunning in her swimsuit.No Burkini?

For her big intellectual “I’ve got brains too” moment that all the pageants put out she said:

“I believe that birth control is just like every other medication even though it’s a controlled substance,”

So I’m counting at least three strikes against her in the minds of the jihadist nut jobs,not to mention her pending “duties” as the crowned one.

I’m also counting a number of hysteria points for the phobes,not the least being that she beat out a girl that supports the Arizona illegal immigration law.(Miss OK who is more than o.k. imo)

I sincerely hope she is having security put around her since she does indeed face a heightened threat level than most other winners. I also hope that no matter how vapid the pageants are to our society and daily life her tenure has some good to it.

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130 Comments

  1. Elric66 says:

    “I sincerely hope she is having security put around her since she does indeed face a heightened threat level than most other winners.”

    Why would she need heightened security? Its not like she drew a cartoon of Mo-bomb-ed.

  2. Elric66 says:

    “She hails from a Lebanese family who observe both Muslim and Christian practices. APOSTATE!”

    You are only an apostate if you are a muslim and leave the cult. Which islam sanctions the death of that apostate. Something the white washers of islam always avoid.

  3. Elric66 says:

    “I believe that birth control is just like every other medication even though it’s a controlled substance,”

    Birth control isnt a medication.

  4. Elric66 says:

    Should of asked her the same question David Horowitz asked the genocide supporting muslima.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fSvyv0urTE&feature=player_embedded

  5. Alfie says:

    Elric to observe BOTH Islamic and Christian practices is definitely a form of apostasy from the Islamic point of view.there is only ONE God,remember?

  6. Elric66 says:

    Alfie,

    You referring to the family observing both faiths or the individual? If you are referring to the individual, yes it would and just plain stupid. Some female minister got kicked out of her church for calling herself a Christian and a muslim. The beliefs are so different I dont know how you can justify it.

  7. graychin says:

    Birth control isnt a medication.

    What about Viagra?

    Alfie, there are enough nutjobs out there without you adding to the crazy. Your post is far, far off-point. Not to mention in bad taste.

    If her family practices both Christianity AND Islam, then ideologues of both stripes will disclaim her. That makes her no more of a Muslim “apostate” than a lily-white farm girl from Kansas. Besides, “honor killings” are usually perpetrated by a girl’s family members. After all, the girl is THEIR property, not the property of unrelated strangers.

    Bad taste. Definitely bad taste.

  8. Elric66 says:

    “What about Viagra?”

    What about it?

  9. Alfie says:

    Well gray you have completely misread the post and know nothing of me or the series this post is associated with.
    Read it again. I state I see strikes against her in the eyes of nutters. That is an honest observation. If you think there are zero chance some brain washed hump can’t see value in whacking her you are a fool.
    In Islam there is but one God. They respect Jesus even give him the pbuh tag but there is only one God. If you try to observe both you are failing to be a good muslim. It isn’t my position she is bad. I am simply observing that there are people that will.
    You are right on the honor killing part as far as you go. I reserve the right of license though in my titles. I also have read many stories of outsiders who stepped in to erase a families failure.
    My post is right on,spot on and true. It pokes fun at nutters and phobes alike.

  10. Elric66 says:

    “They respect Jesus even give him the pbuh tag but there is only one God.”

    Depends on what you define as “respect”. They respect Jesus enough to claim he will come back, convert to islam and lead the war against the non muslims. The islamic Jesus is extremely different than the Christian one.

  11. Alfie says:

    They also believe he was a great prophet hence the pbuh. they do not believe he died when Christians claim and by all means they are against the Resurrection.

  12. Elric66 says:

    “They also believe he was a great prophet hence the pbuh.”

    Yeah, because he will lead them against the non muslims. Not because he was a man of peace and tolerance.

  13. Elric66 says:

    And now the UN is helping fund the mega mosque on Ground Zero

    http://weaselzippers.us/2010/05/17/unreal-un-funding-ground-zero-mosque/#comments

  14. graychin says:

    “What about Viagra?”

    What about it?

    Is it a medication?

  15. graychin says:

    Elric to observe BOTH Islamic and Christian practices is definitely a form of apostasy from the Islamic point of view.there is only ONE God,remember?

    I think that it’s also apostasy from the point of view of certain Christians.

    Right, Tex?

  16. graychin says:

    OK, Alfie – I see your point.

    I confess to my own concerns about Obama’s safety, because of the nutters who believe him to be a foreign-born Muslim usurper to the presidency, his election stolen by ACORN.

    (I really hope I’m not stepping on anyone’s toes here. :()

  17. Elric66 says:

    “Is it a medication?”

    Since it deals with a medical condition, yes.

    “I think that it’s also apostasy from the point of view of certain Christians.”

    Christianity doesnt sanction the death of apostates. Thats just reserved for the islamic cult.

    “I confess to my own concerns about Obama’s safety, because of the nutters who believe him to be a foreign-born Muslim usurper to the presidency, his election stolen by ACORN.”

    Boo hoo hoo.

  18. Tex Taylor says:

    About half Christian? Isn’t that what you claim Graychin Wahbag? About half Christian? Or was it kind of Christian? Quasi-Christian? Unorthodox Christian?

    Looks like a perfect Obama voter to me – complete with camel toe. Except since it’s a fact Democratic women are hideous as rule, she’s probably an apostate Republican.

    http://www.tmz.com/person/rima-fakih/

    P.S. – Miss Oklahoma was better looking and smarter, but not politically correct enough in her answer to love all illegals. Perez Hilton was unavailable for comment.

  19. Tex Taylor says:

    Why would anyone want to shoot Obama? That would leave us with Jolting Joe Biden for President. OH MY GAWD!

    The only think that threatens Obama is his own party. Some Code Pink Hag , environ whacko type goes off on a moon bat rage and strangles President Noodle Arm with her bra.

    I see Barack is out playing golf again today. I read we never see his scores because he ain’t worth a shit on the course. 😆

    I’ll bet Noodle Arm hits from the ladies tees.

  20. Elric66 says:

    Tex,

    I agree. When al-Thuggy outlives his usefulness, his handlers will take care of him.

  21. graychin says:

    “Christianity doesnt sanction the death of apostates.”

    That’s going to come as a surprise to a lot of folks who have been burned at the stake.

    Talk to Tex about the prescribed penalty for blasphemy.

  22. Elric66 says:

    “That’s going to come as a surprise to a lot of folks who have been burned at the stake.”

    So? Its not sanctioned in the teachings of Jesus and Christianity. Now apostasy is sanctioned with death according to islamic law and the teachings of Mo-bomb-ed. But dont lets facts get in the way. I understand that drones feel compelled to defend islam by smearing and distorting Christianity any way they can.

    I will tell you what. If you can find a quote by Jesus where he said “Kill those who change their religion” I will go to a mosque and convert. But if you cant, you have to register as a Republican. Agreed?

  23. Tex Taylor says:

    Talk to Tex about the prescribed penalty for blasphemy.

    You’re living proof we live in the age of grace, with you still dancing around the golden calf. But grace only lasts so long. 😉

    You’re so dumb about Leviticus, you ought to be on stage with Jack Black. That was a perfect script for you Big Fish.

  24. Alfie says:

    I don’t think one can apply Salem Witch trials and the Spanish Inquisition to a misinterpretation or direct interpretation of Christian Scripture. You can’t say the same about Islam.

  25. Elric66 says:

    Alfie,

    I agree 100 percent

  26. Actually, I think that Alfie really has a valid point. I used to know a family that immigrated here from Lebanon. They were Christians, and had been persecuted and were able to pass muster for asylum. About two years after they arrived in Denver they had to go underground, with the help of the FBI. Seems someone had left a note on their door, in Arabic, that they would be killed because of their beliefs… So, I do believe that the possibility is there.

  27. Elric66 says:

    Pat,

    She is from Dearbornistan so the odds are increased,

  28. Elric66 says:

    Awesome, a 2nd mosque planned to be built on Ground Zero.

  29. Tex Taylor says:

    That’s going to come as a surprise to a lot of folks who have been burned at the stake.

    Notice the tactics of Graychin. He’s a disciple of Saul Alinsky. Doesn’t matter how long ago the sin – he’ll pick the target (mostly the Christian Church), freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.

    Rule #4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.”

    Jack Black aka as Graychin Wahbag is classic neo-Marxism in action.

  30. Tex Taylor says:

    Remember “THE ONE” was going to restore America’s world standing? Buwahaahahahahaha…

    An Egyptian democracy advocate, Saad Eddin Ibrahim, writes:

    One year after President Barack Obama’s highly celebrated speech in Cairo supporting Arab democracy, there is a clear and loud expression of disappointment in the region.

    The pathological fear of Islamists coming to power if there were free and fair elections seems to have served Arab dictators well. Although Mr. Obama himself made it clear in Cairo that he does not believe the proposition of incompatibility between Islam and democracy, his administration has clearly opted for a policy favoring regional stability over democratic governance.

    George W. Bush is missed by activists in Cairo and elsewhere who—despite possible misgivings about his policies in Iraq and Afghanistan—benefited from his firm stance on democratic progress. During the time he kept up pressure on dictators, there were openings for a democratic opposition to flourish. The current Obama policy seems weak and inconsistent by contrast.

    Yes We Can Fail! 😆

  31. Elric66 says:

    Tex,

    All I know is since al-Thuggy took over, there has been a spike in jihadist activity.

  32. graychin says:

    “Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.” – Exodus 22:18

  33. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    That isn’t a quote by Jesus.

  34. Tex Taylor says:

    “Do not help a wicked man by being a malicious witness. “ Exodus 23:1

  35. graychin says:

    HF, then show me the quote where Jesus condemns homosexuals.

    (You can’t, I know. But Tex will explain to us how one properly picks and chooses from the Old Testament.)

    Tex, am I the wicked man and you the malicious witness? Or is it the other way around?

  36. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    Graychin, don’t include me in your goalpost movement.

    Elric chose his words carefully, and his challenge was quite simple.

    Produce a quote where Jesus states “Kill those who change their religion”

    Now you can either do that, or you cannot.

  37. Alfie, there are enough nutjobs out there without you adding to the crazy. Your post is far, far off-point. Not to mention in bad taste.

    OH NOES! Alfie has earned the disapproval of GC!

    Alfie? Does it hurt much? Would you like a tissue?

  38. Tex Taylor says:

    Damn Graychin, for a man that has read the Bible so many times (cough cough), you sure do make dumb statements. Since when is the book of Romans or Corinthians in the Old Testament?

    Have I told you recently a fraud is a malicious witness? Anybody that thinks Jesus starts at Matthew 1 and ends at Acts 2 is either deluded, or a fraud of biblical proportions – no pun intended.

    So let’s try this again. 1st Corinthians 6:9

    Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders.

    Is that picking and choosing from the Old Testament Jack? 🙂

    want another – and I found this one so fitting for you:

    Jude

    4For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

    Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

    Ouch Jack Black Jr.

  39. Tex Taylor says:

    If I were to guess, I would bet Graychin is a founding elder of the First Church of Global Warming Climate Change.

    There’s a great deal of depth to his arguments…{snicker}

  40. Elric66 says:

    I guess Greychin wasnt up to the challenge.

  41. Elric66 says:

    Obama’s invisible Islam

    Democrats refuse to admit who the jihadist enemy is

    By THE WASHINGTON TIMES

    During questioning before the House Judiciary Committee on Thursday, a visibly nervous Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. tried valiantly not to utter the expression “radical Islam.” The twisting began when Rep. Lamar Smith, Texas Republican, asked whether the men behind three recent terrorist incidents – the Fort Hood massacre, the Christmas Day bombing attempt and the Time Square bombing attempt – “might have been incited to take the actions that they did because of radical Islam.”

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/may/17/obamas-invisible-islam/

    Great article, Graychin should read it.

  42. Tex Taylor says:

    Elric,

    Great article, Graychin should read it.

    Why? Graychin would agree with Holder. Graychin goosesteps with the ACLU and Rosie O’Donnell and thinks Christianity is every bit as bad as radical Islam.

    Ask him…

  43. graychin says:

    “Since when is the book of Romans or Corinthians in the Old Testament?”

    It isn’t. But it isn’t the words of Jesus either.

  44. Tex Taylor says:

    It isn’t. But it isn’t the words of Jesus either.

    Man, you’re so ignorant, I have to repeat everything at least ten times to you to even get you to give consideration how morbidly dumb you are.

    The ENTIRE BOOK IS JESUS dork! You still don’t get it dummy.

  45. Elric66 says:

    Poor Graychin, couldnt meet my challenge.

    Tex,

    I dont need to ask him, drones are all the same when it comes to comparing islam to Christianity.

  46. graychin says:

    Elric, most of today’s Christians ignore the plain words of Jesus and follow the words of someone else instead, like Paul or carefully selected verses from Leviticus. Or better still, a “prosperity gospel” TV preacher.

    By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

    The bloody fruit of what passes for Christianity through the ages and even to the present day tells me enough about most Christians to know that they are irredeemably lost. I recognize them by their fruits. A horrible human being like Tex Taylor should be enough to convince anyone that his brand of Christianity is sounding brass and clanging cymbals. He is as good an argument against literalist, intolerant, uncharitable, elitist, love-deprived Christianity than anyone else could possibly make.

    And I will convert to Islam long, long before I become a Republican. Scour the teachings of Jesus and you will find the polar opposite of Republican party politics.

  47. I strolled out onto the stream, seeking the solace that God grants to those that pit themselves against nature, in order to become one with it. I cast a fly, well made and created by mine own hands.

    I sought trout, and all that was there were RED HERRINGS. They took the fly readily…

    News flash: The girls home village is proud of her. The Jidhadist’s are not…

  48. Elric66 says:

    “And I will convert to Islam long, long before I become a Republican.”

    That doesnt surprise me, islam is as oppressive as progressivism.

  49. Tex Taylor says:

    The bloody fruit of what passes for Christianity through the ages and even to the present day tells me enough about most Christians to know that they are irredeemably lost. I recognize them by their fruits.

    LOL! From an anti-Semite that doesn’t recognize the man who wrote most of the New Testament, who even called Paul a homosexual, should now deem himself worthy to discern fruits. That Democratic party who calls the slaughter of 50MM+ innocents under the guise of “choice” should be the icon of pure political party. I’m sure Jesus would have approved of “gay marriage” too.

    What a foolish and fraudulent man. Graychin, you are many things. One thing you are not is Christian. But the fact you would be a good radical Jihadist humors me. I don’t think you’ve got the gonads to herd sheep.

  50. graychin says:

    I recognize Paul. I just don’t give his teachings as much weight as those of Jesus. (I especially like his letter about the Clanging Cymbals. :D)

    I didn’t call Paul a homosexual. I said he might have been a celibate homosexual, given his views on women, marriage and sex. That wasn’t even a sin, and it’s nothing to be ashamed of. Right? If you’re going to disagree with me, at least disagree with what I actually said.

    How did you decide that I’m an anti-Semite? Just curious.

    And what’s with your sudden interest in sheep?

  51. Elric66 says:

    “How did you decide that I’m an anti-Semite? Just curious.”

    Most progressives are. Including the POS “president”

  52. Tex Taylor says:

    Here are Graychin’s exact words: this makes the second blatant lie I have caught him tonight.

    I’m not a big fan of the Christianity of Paul, although he is the real Founding Father of Christianity as we know it today. He was an odd character – one of those guys who swings from one extreme to the other overnight. First he was a violent persecutor of Christianity, then its most influential promoter, surpassing even Jesus in that regard. Paul was like a devout Marxist who becomes a raging anti-Communist, or Malcom X who went from being a criminal to his version of a spiritual leader. (Insert obvious joke about evangelists here. Or about Malcom X. Or about Obama or Nancy Pelosi – whatever.)

    I suspect that Paul was one of those self-loathing gays that we were talking about – celibate himself as far as we know, but preaching to others about the evils of homosexuality in particular, and not very approving of sex in general. In many ways he turns the teaching of Jesus on its head

    You’re a blatant anti-Zionist. Kind of like Obama.

  53. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    While I certainly won’t argue that Graychin is full of shit, I can’t help but wonder how Israel’s nationalist policy on Palestine relates to a discussion on Christianity or whether or not Paul was a homo.

    Graychin, if one does not display unquestioning support for Israel and all of its policies, then one is by default an anti-Semite. Somewhere along the lines you must not have shown the proper respect for Israel. Don’t feel bad, I’ve been given the same label.

  54. Elric66 says:

    “I can’t help but wonder how Israel’s nationalist policy on Palestine relates to a discussion on Christianity or whether or not Paul was a homo.”

    Where is Palestine? Never heard of it.

  55. Elric66 says:

    PA TV: All Israel is “Palestine”

    No HP, if you arent 100 percent pro Israel it doesnt make you an antisemite. But if you take the Palis side or think that Israel should give these people a statehood, it makes one wonder. Israel cant make peace with people that want her destroyed and even giving them a statehood is insane. Its like giving al-Qaeda a statehood. Watch this video and justify giving them a statehood.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bRFX3yUuoo&feature=player_embedded

  56. Elric66 says:

    Here is another on PALI TV. For kids no less. Peace? Really?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvE5K9W6UUk&feature=player_embedded

  57. graychin says:

    HF, thank you for your comment.

    I am pro-Israel, but not 100% pro-Israel since I retain some sympathy for Palestinian people who have been refugees for the past 60+ years. And here I thought that having sympathy for the downtrodden was a Christian value. Silly me. I should be grateful to Tex for teaching me that total agreement with Bibi, and crowding out the Palestinians from any hope of their own state without regard to their needs is what Christianity is all about.

    I have been accused of anti-Semitism before for having the audacity to disagree with some of the policies of the Israeli government. No doubt it will happen again as soon as Tex wakes up this morning.

    Elric, I suggest that you google “Palestine.” You might learn something. It’s actually possible. Your present level of knowledge seems to be limited to cartoons for children.

  58. Elric66 says:

    “I retain some sympathy for Palestinian people who have been refugees for the past 60+ years.”

    My their choice. Why didnt they have a homeland from 47-67?

    “I thought that having sympathy for the downtrodden was a Christian value. ”

    Sympathy for jihadist supporters? Really?

    “Elric, I suggest that you google “Palestine.” You might learn something. It’s actually possible. Your present level of knowledge seems to be limited to cartoons for children.”

    So these 2 videos didnt persuade you? Didnt bother you that these Pali kids are being groomed for martyrdom? Didnt bother you that the Palis claim all of Israel?You arent pro-Israel. Amazing you can question Israeli policies but not question these videos. You are just a liar. But I knew that anyway.

    Ohh and I know what “Palestine” is. You think you are so smart, enlighten us all. You wont because like all drones, you are full of crap.

  59. Tex Taylor says:

    Why would I argue? I don’t need to talk history of Palestine (a made up name which is actually Jordan). This time, I’ve been around about the entire period. We need not revert back to Salem Witch Trials, the Inquisition, the Crusades. We can start with May 15, 1948 and move forward if the closet Jew hater Graychin finds me wrong.

    If only the Israelis would follow suit an join the ACLU or bow to Obama, why Graychin, you’d be their most vocal supporter.

  60. Tex Taylor says:

    Now Elric,

    Here’s the next answer you will get from Graychin – that’s just propaganda controlled by the Jew media. Never mind the Jewish media is about 80% libbie. It’s one more inconsistency in argument that the “progressives” conveniently ignore without answer.

    Only Obama knows for sure…

  61. Elric66 says:

    Tex,

    I never expect any concrete answers. Bet he wont answer why the Palis never had a state between 1947-1967. The anti Israel drones never answer that. Palis had 20 years to have a homeland they never had one. Why? Because the whole thing is a sham. Its not about a Pali homeland, its about the destruction of Israel. Seems Graychin is too.

  62. Tex Taylor says:

    Shoot Elric,

    Forget 1947. I’m still waiting for the Graychin and Huck types to justify why Nazi Germany SS helped finance the Grand Mufti’s efforts during the revolts in Palestine during the late 30’s which killed hundreds of Jews, and why the Grand Mufti and Adolph Eichmann were such good pals.

    Sounds like a crowd the “progressives” would ally. 😉

  63. Elric66 says:

    Tex,

    islam and progressives are natural allies. Both advocate oppression and tyranny. But I bring up 1947-1967 because its impossible to blame Israel in anyway for no Pali state. The Arabs had 20 friggin years to give the Palis a homeland. The Palis had 20 years to demand a homeland. Nothing. Why?

    And yeah, Arafat’s uncle was very chummy with Nazis. Natural allies.

  64. Elric66 says:

    Hmmm the drone avoided my question. Guess deep down he knows the Pali “refugee problem” is a sham as well.

  65. graychin says:

    Alfie – just curious…

    Why do you moderate comments that contain clickable links?

  66. Elric66 says:

    Still waiting Graychin. Why didnt the palis haves a homeland from 1947-1967? Come on think for yourself.

  67. Elric66 says:

    I guess I asked the drone for too much. 🙂

  68. Alfie says:

    I had it set for any links to keep super link fests from happening. I bumped it a bit and upped your dot com variants as a courtesy.

  69. graychin says:

    Fuck off, Elrick.

  70. graychin says:

    Thanks, Alfie. I was just curious.

  71. Elric66 says:

    You already said that drone. Still waiting for your answer. “Fuck off” isnt an answer. Its just a liberal response because you have no friggin clue.

  72. graychin says:

    I apologize to Alfie for my undisguised F-bomb. It won’t happen again, I promise.

    Elrick, don’t make me repeat myself.

  73. Elric66 says:

    I didnt make you do anything. You drones can never take responsibility for your own actions.

  74. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    I just asked why the term anti-Zionist came up in a discussion about Paul’s sexuality.

    These terms—Nazi, anti-Semite, and anti-Zionist—get tossed around willy-nilly and often inappropriately. I just think it takes away from the real discussion when they are tossed about simply to draw emotion, which is usually the case with them all. And while that statement certainly reeks of Pelosi’s hypocrisy, I don’t use them myself, so you won’t be finding any hypocrisy on my part. Which is more than I can say for her.

    Tex may have his reason for using the term above. However, at face value, I don’t know what that reason is. Which is why I made the comment I did.

    “I’m still waiting for the Graychin and Huck types to justify why Nazi Germany SS helped finance the Grand Mufti’s efforts during the revolts in Palestine during the late 30′s which killed hundreds of Jews, and why the Grand Mufti and Adolph Eichmann were such good pals.”

    I don’t give justifications.

    I am not an Arab or Muslim apologist. I take history for what it is, and I do my best to interpret it and understand it. Much of what goes into that process is understanding the historical and cultural context. What does not go into it are my personal beliefs or emotion (other than my love of History). Some have faulted me for that process. But, since they are not Historians, I care little for what they think about how I approach the subject.

  75. Tex Taylor says:

    I am not an Arab or Muslim apologist. I take history for what it is, and I do my best to interpret it and understand it. Much of what goes into that process is understanding the historical and cultural context.

    But history has a tendency to be rewritten by popular media and secular education – both favoring progressive thought – see Graychin. Fortunately, 62 years is still recent enough history that it can’t quite be rewritten yet until a couple of more generations die out.

    Palestine is a recent phenomenon and that fact is easily proven time and again. Here is but one quoted example. If I am wrong, someone please clarify where so.

    To maintain the charade of being an indigenous population, Arab propagandists have had to do more than a little rewriting of history. A major part of this rewriting Goliath, a Philistine Warrior … but NOT an Arab or “Palestinian!” involves the renaming of geography. For two thousand years the central mountainous region of Israel was known as Judea and Samaria, as any medieval map of the area testifies. However, the state of Jordan occupied the area in 1948 and renamed it the West Bank. This is a funny name for a region that actually lies in the eastern portion of the land and can only be called “West” in reference to Jordan. This does not seem to bother the majority of news outlets covering the region, which universally refer to the region by its recent Jordanian name.

  76. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    “But history has a tendency to be rewritten by popular media and secular education – both favoring progressive thought ”

    And when I do so, I beg you to shed light on it. Because if there is 1 thing I do not care for is revisionist history.

    The concept of Palestine may be a relatively recent phenomenon. But every border of the Middle East is also relatively recent, so I don’t find that to be a big stretch. Borders and the names of the lands and peoples within them are political tools of men, and are subject to change. That’s history.

    Periods like the British Mandate of Palestine (1920-1948) are also history. If you look at the linked document, you will find the term “Palestine” more than 100 times. It is referring to the area west of the Jordan River, with the east being Transjordan.

    So if the concept of Palestine and of being Palestinian is a farse, it is a farse that was created by the western powers that drew the lines and gave the names in the Middle East following the breakup of the Ottoman Empire.

    That is history—with added context.

  77. graychin says:

    Any comments on the Daily Beast column that I linked above?

    Elrick, it will be over your head. No pictures.

  78. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    “However, the state of Jordan occupied the area in 1948 and renamed it the West Bank. This is a funny name for a region that actually lies in the eastern portion of the land and can only be called “West” in reference to Jordan.”

    But West Bank is a perfectly appropriate name for the region that is on the west bank of the Jordan River. Do you disagree?

  79. Elric66 says:

    “So if the concept of Palestine and of being Palestinian is a farse, it is a farse that was created by the western powers that drew the lines and gave the names in the Middle East following the breakup of the Ottoman Empire.”

    It was a region, not a nation. Still doesnt explain why the Palis never got a statehood between 1948-1967. Could have happened anytime during that period. Like I said, its a scam. The Palis are just a proxy used to batter Israel. No one really cares about the dirtbags, especially the Arabs.

  80. Elric66 says:

    “Any comments on the Daily Beast column that I linked above?”

    Nope. Just like I got no comment on the Pali videos or my simple question towards you. So until you do, I shall just return the same courtesy moron.

  81. graychin says:

    I see that the name “Palestine” is derived from the ancient name “Philistine” – for the people who have lived in that region since antiquity.

    As Huck pointed out, all of the Middle Eastern nation-states are of extremely recent creation, their borders drawn arbitrarily by European powers.

  82. graychin says:

    Eldrick, I did comment on your embedded videos, although Alfie has deleted them – apparently for violation of policy.

    I said “Your present level of knowledge seems to be limited to cartoons for children.”

  83. Elric66 says:

    “Your present level of knowledge seems to be limited to cartoons for children.”

    Thats your comment for children being brainwashed on children’s TV to be martyrs? Plus it wasnt a cartoon so I know you didnt watch it. Try again.

  84. Alfie says:

    I have not deleted any comments. I’ve reviewed the threads they are kind of long but all the responses seem to be there.

  85. Alfie says:

    I’ll comment on the dailybeast piece….
    it’s well written and committed to a certain point of view. I instantly had a question come to mind as I read it.If I were face to face with Mr.Beinart I’d ask him how he feels about sovereignty and military conquest.Waaaaayyyyy back in the day the Jews experienced just that,and returned the favor in ’48.

  86. Tex Taylor says:

    As Huck pointed out, all of the Middle Eastern nation-states are of extremely recent creation, their borders drawn arbitrarily by European powers.

    Recent creations? Jews have lived in Jerusalem for 3,500 years. Of course, they let many Arabs reside with them, but unfortunately no Arab nation allows the same. In fact, if some Jew just happened to walk into the country of Mecca, they would be killed on the spot.

    So why write something new when I can respond with something old to the very same questions of legitimacy:

    1. Are you aware that the Disputed Territories never belonged to the “Palestinians” and only came into Israeli possession as a result of the 1967 six day war in which Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon all massed forces at Israel’s border in order to “push the Jews into the sea”. The Arabs lost and Israel took control of the land. Do you agree that if the Arabs don’t want to lose territory to Israel, then they shouldn’t start wars? Do you agree that there is justice that Israel, who as far back as 1948 has always sought peace with her far larger neighbors, should live in prosperity – making the desert bloom – while the residents of 19 adjacent Arab countries who are blessed with far more land as well as oil wealth live in their own feces?

    2. Did you know that the “Palestinians” could have had their own country as far back as 1948 had they accepted the UN sponsored partition plan which gave Israel AND the Palestinians a countries of their own on land which Jews had lived on for thousands of years before Mohammud ever had a wet dream about virgins? The Arabs rejected the UN offer and went to war with the infant Israeli nation. The Arabs lost and have been whining about it ever since. Do you agree this is like a murderer who kills his parents and asks for special treatment since he is now an orphan?

    3. Can you tell us ANY Arab country which offers Jews the right to be citizens, vote, own property, businesses, be a part of the government or have ANY of the rights which Israeli Arabs enjoy? Any Arab country which gives those rights to Christians? How about to other Arabs? Wouldn’t you just LOVE to be a citizen of Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Iran, or Syria?

    4. Since as many Jews (approximately 850,000) were kicked out of Arab countries as were Arabs who left present day Israel (despite being literally begged to stay), why should Arabs be permitted to return to Israel if Jews aren’t allowed to set foot in Arab countries? Can you explain why Arabs can worship freely in Israel but Jews would certainly be hung from street lamps after having their intestines devoured by an Arab mob if they so much as entered an Arab country?

    5. Israel resettled and absorbed all of the Jews from Arab countries who wished to become Israelis. Why haven’t any Arab countries offered to resettle Arabs who were displaced from Israel, leaving them to rot for 60 years in squalid refugee camps? And why are those refugee camps still there? Could it be that the billions of dollars that the UNWRA has sent there goes to terrorist groups like Hamas, Islamic Jihad, El Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, or Hezbollah? How did Yassir Arafat achieve his $300 million in wealth? Why aren’t these funds distributed for humanitarian use?

    6. Did you know that the Arabs in the disputed territories (conquered by Israel in the 1967 war which was started by Arabs) and who are not Israelis already have two countries right now? And that they are called Egypt and Jordan?

    7. If your complaint is about the security fence which Israel is finally building in the Disputed Territories, are you aware that it is built solely to keep the “brave” Arab terrorists out so that they can no longer self detonate on buses, in dining halls or pizzerias and kill Jewish grandmothers and schoolchildren? Why are the Arabs so brave when they target unarmed civilians but even when they outnumber their opponents they get their sandy asses kicked all the way to Mecca when they are faced with Jewish soldiers? Why do Arab soldiers make the French look like super heroes?

    8. Please explain why you are so concerned about Arabs, who possess 99% of the land in this region and are in control of the world’s greatest natural resource, which literally flows out of the ground? Can’t their brother Muslims offer some of the surplus land and nature’s riches to the “Palestinians”? Or is it true that Arabs are willing to die right down to the last “Palestinian”?

    9. Why do you not exhibit the same level of concern for say, people in Saudi Arabia who are beheaded, subject to amputation, stoning, honor killing etc.? What about women who are denied any semblance of basic civil rights, including the right not to be treated as property for the entertainment and abuse of her father, brothers, or husbands? What about the Muslims in Sudan and Egypt who are still enslaved, or the women there whose genitalia are barbarically cut off? How about the oppression of Shiites by Sunnis, the gassing of the Kurds by Iraq, or the massacre of “Palestinians” by Jordan (Black September)? Why doesn’t this concern you?

    10. Did you ever stop to wonder how much better off everyone in the region would be if Arabs stopped trying to kill Jews and destroy Israel? What would happen if the Israelis gave up their weapons and disarmed? Would they live to see the next day? But what would happen if the Arabs completely disarmed? You know the answer: They would all be AT PEACE! And if there is no war to rile them up, the Arabs would be forced to look at their own repressive, pre-medieval societies. Why would they want to do that when there are Jews to kill?

  87. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    Tex, I don’t really have anything to offer to refute what you’ve written above. But as I was reading it a few points stuck out that are worth a mention.

    “Do you agree that there is justice that Israel, who as far back as 1948 has always sought peace with her far larger neighbors, should live in prosperity – making the desert bloom – while the residents of 19 adjacent Arab countries who are blessed with far more land as well as oil wealth live in their own feces?”

    All 19 countries have not had full control over their oil and other resources since 1948. There were some who foolishly gave it away via concessions to western powers in order to stay in the west’s good favor. I don’t blame those who took advantage of that foolishness. It is what it is.

    ” How about to other Arabs? Wouldn’t you just LOVE to be a citizen of Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Iran, or Syria?”

    Not that this has any bearing on your argument, but Iranians are Persian not Arab.

    ” If your complaint is about the security fence which Israel is finally building in the Disputed Territories…”

    Egypt also has a wall/fence to protect it from violence via Gaza. Unfortunately, recent history shows cause for the worry. Israeli’s don’t do Palestinians any favors. Arabs don’t really do Palestinians any favors. And Palestinians don’t do themselves any favors, either. (Yes, I know it is up for debate as to whether Palestinian is its own ethnicity/nationality)

    “Did you know that the Arabs in the disputed territories (conquered by Israel in the 1967 war which was started by Arabs) and who are not Israelis already have two countries right now? And that they are called Egypt and Jordan?”

    See above.

    “Can’t their brother Muslims offer some of the surplus land and nature’s riches to the “Palestinians”? Or is it true that Arabs are willing to die right down to the last “Palestinian”?”

    While you are arguably correct on Arab willingness to sacrifice Palestinians, Jews want the particular piece of land they occupy and no other because they feel they are entitled to it. Palestinians feel they are entitled to it. They wouldn’t want someone else’s land to call home any more than Jews wanted to call South America home.

    “Did you ever stop to wonder how much better off everyone in the region would be if Arabs stopped trying to kill Jews and destroy Israel?”

    I know I have. Often.

    I also wonder how much better off everyone in the region—and the world—would be if the Romans had leveled all of Jerusalem and salted the earth where it sits. Since we don’t have time machines, I prefer to reflect on how things might be if Jerusalem were administered similar to the Vatican. That city seems to be a stumbling block to the 2 sides working things out. Not the only one, but a big one.

    Again, none of that is an attempt to refute anything you have said. Just comments thrown out there as they came to me.

    And thank you for the conversation on the topic.

  88. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    “There were some who foolishly gave it away via concessions to western powers in order to stay in the west’s good favor.”

    Rereading what I wrote, I decided I don’t like how I worded that. The concessions weren’t given away, they were sold at fractions of what they were worth.

    But they were not “given away.”

  89. Tex Taylor says:

    Huck,

    I know you the unbeliever, but even you should find it a little more than ironic that Jerusalem is a stumbling block – just like Christ said it would be 2,000 years ago.

    As a city, it carries no real power, no waterways, no real traveling routes, no strategic operatives – it really should be a city forgotten. But it is not (just like Christ said it wouldn’t be 2000 years ago).

    I would say that Rome came very close to salting Jerusalem, being they turned over every step to the Temple (just like Christ said it would do 2,000 years ago).

    You can hold me to this. I tell you within one generation, Damascus will be uninhabitable. Maybe some day, I’ll bother to explain why.

  90. Tex Taylor says:

    Yes, Iran is Persia. I stand corrected.

    However, as a general rule, Sunni Muslims are considered Arab and if memory serves, constitute about 10% of Iran’s population. I was 90% wrong. 🙂

  91. Elric66 says:

    “You can hold me to this. I tell you within one generation, Damascus will be uninhabitable. Maybe some day, I’ll bother to explain why.”

    Maybe sooner. Things really are speeding up. But you are the expert on Biblical things so I defer to you. But I think we both agree who the Mahdi truly is.

  92. graychin says:

    “However, as a general rule, Sunni Muslims are considered Arab…”

    Arabs are an ethnic group or race that usually speaks the Arabic language, historically originating in the Arabian Peninsula, and spread to North Africa 1,000+ years ago.

    Muslims are people who follow the religion of Islam. The ethnicity of predominantly Muslim countries ranges from West African to Indonesian. Indonesia is the most populous Muslim nation.

    Since perhaps 90% of Muslims are Sunni (as opposed to Shia), and since a clear majority of Muslims are ethnically non-Arab, it isn’t even close to the truth to say that Sunni Muslims “are considered Arab.”

    But they’re brown and they ain’t Christian, so what difference does it make? Right, Tex?

  93. graychin says:

    Anyone who considers Tex “an expert on biblical things” really should re-consider. The ignorance that he reveals in that simple statement is profound.

    This sort of nonsense comes from studying narrowly (apologetics) instead of broadly. In apologetics, one only encounters information supporting a pre-determined viewpoint.

  94. Elric66 says:

    “But they’re brown and they ain’t Christian, so what difference does it make? Right, Tex?”

    Their race doesnt matter. A white jihadist leader was busted last year in NC. Try another tactic you race baiting drone.

  95. graychin says:

    You’re right, Elric. A white Sunni wouldn’t be “considered an” Arab either.

    Good catch!

  96. graychin says:

    You’re right, Elric. A white Sunni wouldn’t be “considered an Arab” either.

    Good catch!

  97. Elric66 says:

    Technically an Arab is a Caucasian.

  98. Tex Taylor says:

    Graychin, you’ve got your percentages wrong – about 80% Sunni.

    So let’s see, I make a general statement told to me by my neighbor and practicing Muslim, explaining to me what Muslims believe, and you think for the first time, you’ve found something so profoundly wrong, you’re going to nail me, hey Graychin? 😆

    You’re broad minded alright. I write a lengthy reply to your abject stupidity of the history of Israel, of which not one thing you tried to refute, and then make some statement to Huck off the cuff, and now you’ve found my weakness? 😆

    You’re an absolute loser Graychin and a lonely old man – of that, I’m now sure.

    Since you have arrived, you’ve lied about doctors or proved you run with a crook, you’ve proven yourself at the very least anti-Zionist, your capacity for critical thought is non existent, and your an old man living in Buttfuck, OK, a place where if God wanted to give the world an enema he’d ram the plug. And miracle of miracles, somehow you’re an authority on Islam or anything else for that matter? I’m laughing at you Jack Sr. – you are a perfect progressive, though. Clueless, helpless, hopeless.

    You keep telling me my Bible know how is limited, yet each time we discuss it, I give you verse and scripture and you don’t like the answer because you accuse me of answering with scripture. You throw out Genesis in your dispute, and I ask you why Christ taught from it then, of which you have never answered. You’re like dealing with an old, demented fool who sits in the donut shop all day with other demented fools in, well – Buttfuck, OK. You’re a “lake person.” 😆

    Why don’t we lay a bet on that statement from above that you say I am wrong? Do you want to bet momma’s social security check that you deposit each month for your own use that I’m wrong old man? That what I just said is what Muslims themselves believe?

    That statement comes from a practicing Muslim who lives on my own street, explaining the difference to me between Shiite and Sunni during the Iraq War – what he thought about the mad Mahdi.

    So why don’t you put your money were your mouth is Graychin? I’ll bring my neighbor and you can tell him he’s wrong too?

    I’ll make it worth your while. Say we bet $1,000.00?

    You didn’t have the guts on our last bet and you left in a huff after you accused me of being full of shit. Want to try it again?

  99. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    “Technically an Arab is a Caucasian.”

    An Arab is also technically a Semite. A fact that matters little when the term “anti-Semite” is being tossed around.

    “Graychin, you’ve got your percentages wrong – about 80% Sunni.”

    That is not correct. By most any scholarly account, approximately 86%-90% of Muslims are Sunni. About 8%-10% are Shia, and about 1% get labelled “other.”

    I’m afraid it is also incorrect that Sunnis are generally considered to be Arab. No offense to your neighbor, but if he has told you such a thing, he is mistaken. There are about two-hundred million Sunnis in Indonesia alone. I think it would be more accurate to say that most Arabs are Sunni.

    “That statement comes from a practicing Muslim who lives on my own street, explaining the difference to me between Shiite and Sunni during the Iraq War ”

    The Sunnis that fought in that war were probably all Arab. But that doesn’t mean all Sunnis are Arab. I don’t doubt that he told you this. I just question if he meant what he said or if something got lost in his translation (assuming he is not a native English speaker). Because at face value, it is simply not correct.

  100. Elric66 says:

    “An Arab is also technically a Semite. A fact that matters little when the term “anti-Semite” is being tossed around.”

    They use the term ‘islamophobe” instead when they want to shut down free speech.

  101. Tex Taylor says:

    You may be right Huck – I certainly don’t claim to be an expert of Demographics for Muslims – mainly because I am uninterested and consider it a gutter religion – the results speak for themselves. Technically you are also right about Semites. If you care to play pedantic games, I grant you my mistake.

    This is what my neighbor explained to me. If I’m wrong, I stand corrected. But it would be hard for me to believe a man, now an American citizen, sixty years old with family still in Iran, would not be qualified to discuss Islam.

    However, in your continual defense of Islam, you did not refute one point I made. I think I can make a very clear case who shows who is to blame and who is lying about Palestine.

    I’ll grant you your field of expertise. However, I have found you far from expert on Israel of antiquity, of which I am very comfortable discussing.

  102. Elric66 says:

    Tex,

    If you truly want to learn about islam, read Robert Spencer.

  103. graychin says:

    Tex, I thought you might try to wiggle out of your embarrassing gaffe by saying that you meant that most Middle Eastern Sunnis are Arabs, as opposed to most Middle Eastern Shias being Persian/Iranian. But now you are pontificating based on what your neighbor told you over the back fence? That’s and example of your excellent scholarship.

    But your comment that Islam is a “gutter religion” is contemptible. You ought to be ashamed of yourself, if you had any shame at all. A person’s religion is largely an accident of birth. Hadn’t you noticed?

  104. Tex Taylor says:

    Jack Sr., with you I wiggle out of nothing, for there is no need to wiggle. My so called embarrassing gaffe was a comment off the cuff – like 57 states. In fact, I find it humorous that it took something like this to for you to find a “gotcha”. If that makes me a pontificating fraud, so be it. 😉

    I am just pointing out that a practicing Muslim conversing over the fence about the truths of Islam would appear to me to be a far better teacher than some old worm in Eucha, OK, that appears an expert at nada.

    I knew you would find truth to be contemptible. In fact, I would have expected that very answer from you. Your mealy mouthed approach to everything but the condemnation of Christianity is befitting of an Obama sycophant and self absorbed, self-serving brat.

    I’ll stick by calling Islam a bankrupt and gutter religion. I don’t find generational truths to be accidental. The sins of the Fathers passed to the sons is a common theme throughout history. As it was with Herod, as it was with Caesar, so it was with Muhammad.

    Like I told Huck, I believe the recent results speak for themselves. My only concern is that I share a country, and therefore the safety of my family, with gutless appeasers like you who don’t recognize good from evil, and right from wrong. You, who are naive to think dialogue the approach to radical Islam, endangers us all.

  105. Hucking Fypocrites says:

    Tex, don’t mistake my lack of engagement as being unable to do so. You made more than 1 comment in that large post that I could have called out at some level had I so chosen, specifically numbers 1, 3, 5, 6, 8 and 9.

    I chose not to because I was enjoying the discussion and didn’t want to turn it into an argument and because I am fairly confident that I would be wasting my time trying to convince you to believe something other than what you wrote, anyway.

    Which is also why I am done here now. Blog posts have moved on and there are other debates to have. See you there.

  106. Alfie says:

    A person’s religion is largely an accident of birth. Hadn’t you noticed?
    It has to be said that some religions are indeed better at fostering free will than others though.

  107. Tex Taylor says:

    Huck,

    You made more than 1 comment in that large post that I could have called out at some level had I so chosen, specifically numbers 1, 3, 5, 6, 8 and 9.

    Well, consider it an intellectual challenge. I am always open to new information if you have any. That post was from some years back. 😉

    I just think it an easy exercise to prove that Jews of Israel have been more than patient in their dealings with the rest of Islamic world.

  108. Elric66 says:

    “It has to be said that some religions are indeed better at fostering free will than others though.”

    True. Only one sanctions the death for those who leave it.

  109. Tex Taylor says:

    Alfie,

    A person’s religion is largely an accident of birth. Hadn’t you noticed?

    I never called Graychin on this, as there is a limited amount of time to call him on his mistakes of omission, innuendo, errors, gross negligence, lying, and propaganda.

    The statement actually carries little value by global standards.

    If it were true, Christian missionaries would be wasting their time. Graychin is sure that Christianity is slowly dying, and to a degree, that may be true in America as we continue to rot away. However, if you take were to take Eastern Europe including Russia, China, Africa, some parts of South America, Christianity has increased exponentially the last forty years. The inheritance and ancestry was not in anyway Christian, so again Graychin’s generic comment is like so many of his brash statements only partially true.

  110. Alfie says:

    @Elric. Although being ostracized pales in comparison to being killed there is a globe full of faiths that have the ability to intimidate and control their adherents. So as it stands all the comments on this are indeed true so far.
    @Tex absolutely,there is also the case of what I’ll call denomination jumping and which is already called steeple chasing and I don’t mean horse racing.Growing up in Boston I met many people that jokingly identified themselves as “lapsed Catholics” like it was a branch of the church.
    Let’s be honest there are also many nonviolent conversions/coming to faith for Islam,Buddhism and I imagine Hinduism too.

  111. Elric66 says:

    Alfie,

    There is a difference between what followers do outside their teachings and what follwers do what their religion demands. You agree?

  112. Alfie says:

    I’m gonna give a conditional yes Elric. The thing being I have met and have a greater confidence that a great number of,oh let’s say Muslims,are ok. Whether that is them avoiding or ignoring a tenet I’m seriously not the person to ask.

  113. Elric66 says:

    Alfie,

    The tenant is there. They avoid it at least in the West right now because its not prudent. But you do have the story of the Ohio muslim convert girl that ran away because she was scared because she converted to Christianity.

  114. Elric66 says:

    In honor of draw Mo-bomb-ed day. It hits the nail on the head.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZw7ps886aI&feature=player_embedded

  115. Elric66 says:

    Waiting for the Cordoba mosque being allowed to be built on Ground Zero post. That rate as dhimmitude?

  116. Elric66 says:

    Daisy Khan showed a brief Power Point presentation that said, among other things, that the Islamic Center would help non-Muslims to integrate.

    Interesting word choice. Not help Muslims to integrate into the American secular fabric, but to help non-Muslims to integrate. Into…a Sharia state? Is that the goal?

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/05/tonight-community-board-1-in.html

  117. Elric66 says:

    Seriously, I challenge anyone, drone or no drone to disagree with what the author said. Starts at 47:10. In the aftermath of a mosque going up on the grounds of Ground Zero and dedicated on the 10 anniversary, we need a serious debate on islam and its goals. Listen, I implore you.

    [audio src="http://rope.zmle.fimc.net/player/player.html?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpodloc.andomedia.com%2FdloadTrack.mp3%3Fprm%3D2069xhttp%3A%2F%2Fpodfuse-dl.andomedia.com%2F800185%2Fpodfuse-origin.andomedia.com%2Fcitadel_origin%2Fpods%2Fmarklevin%2FLevin05252010.mp3" /]

  118. Elric66 says:

    Shocker, no one commented

  119. Alfie says:

    Elric I got nothing on the mosque for now. I have stated previously that I think it a bad idea and that it will be a target for hate groups internal and external.

  120. Elric66 says:

    Hate groups? Care to elaborate on that?

  121. Alfie says:

    I think:
    a. genuine heart felt rage over the opening date will be real and quite frankly justified.
    b. Wahabbi lead elements will take the place over.
    c. diversity of America based Muslims will expose the relatively well known yet denied animosity amongst Muslims whence concentrated in one area.This will cause many problems.

  122. Elric66 says:

    Alfie,

    That quote by Daisy Khan and the opening date alone should tell you what this mosque is about. Also as Spencer said, muslims love to mark conquests with big ass mosques. Any group targeting this mosque will be justified. If we dont draw a line on this, where the hell is the line? Hope somebody soaks the ground with pig blood. Maybe that will stop it.

  123. Elric66 says:

    Dearborn: “The fear is palpable…Threats and intimidation are just part of life here”

    Wonder of wonders — a news report that actually speaks honestly about Islamic apostasy, and points out CAIR’s tactics of personal destruction. “Detroit transit sued for nixing ‘Leaving Islam?’ ad,” by Michal Elseth for the Washington Times, May 27 (thanks to Pamela Geller):

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/05/dearborn-the-fear-is-palpablethreats-and-intimidation-are-just-part-of-life-here.html

    Gotta love it

  124. Elric66 says:

    Your Governor isnt he Alfie? BTW You need a new DDT Post.

  125. Elric66 says:

    Well Alfie? Is he your Governor or not? If so, does it disturb you?

  126. Alfie says:

    That’s something for Tuesday

  127. Elric66 says:

    Look forward to it.

  128. Elric66 says:

    You listen to the interview as well Alfie?

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