The following are from the thread for this post.
Of course I could ask you what should be done to perserve the West.
I was asking you a series of questions and offering you a chance to clearly state your position. Methinks ye dodge now. And let’s add another question. Since you are so well read on the Quran/Koran do you accept that there are two distinct definitions / applications of jihad ?
I accept the fact when jihad is mentioned in the Qur’an and hadiths, over 90 percent is in the context of warfare.“I want to know what should be done to the billion Muslims,the terrorists, the mosques all of it. Should we gather up all the Qurans and burn them ? Should we shutter up all the mosques and deport all those claiming to be followers of Islam ?”ban Islamic immigration, Ban Islam in the West, burn the mosques down. Deport all Muslims who still claim Islam as their “religion”. Get off all foreign energy and cut off all ties to Islamic nations. Build a prison in Alaska to hold all convicted terrorists since death is too good for them. I forget anything?
Here are my answers…As for the preservation of the West by the end of this post my opinion on that will be clear.
“Ban Islamic immigration...” The ideals of the West and especially those of the United States would vanish with an outright ban of any population group. The control and quota of people coming to America is not beyond the realm of precedent. It is something that should be looked at in the whole picture of immigration. It is not a good idea though to exert our foreign / domestic policy fears the immigration policy. The only other thorn in the side of this is how both unenforceable and unnecessary this is. The ability to surpass customs on basis of religion is pretty easy. The actual numbers of Muslim immigration is not impressive in numbers.
“Ban Islam,burn Mosques down… ” Well this is just crazy for anyone to actually and honestly invoke this thinking in the hope to preserve Western Civ. A nation founded on those pursuing religious freedom yet banning a faith ? Well the Mormons, Shakers and others were roundly castigated by the general public. This is sad given the basic tenets of Christian ideology . Let’s consider the thought of a government banning a religion and the spirit of America. This seem a little contrary to anyone ? The fact that the overwhelming majority of Muslims in America are law abiding means nothing I guess. As for burning Mosques down. This is the ultimate in Orwellian fascism. I can’t imagine how anyone expects to be taken serious over their concerns when they somehow are willing to embrace this level of uber Nazi tactic.
“Deport all Muslims who still claim Islam as their religion…” American history has some line items where groups have been singled out and removed. Either through deportation or repatriation people have been removed. The US also has a history of cowardly allowing people to go face death elsewhere. This latter decision was definitely impacted by the faith of those involved and it wasn’t Islam.
“Get off foreign energy… ” This is extremely narrow in vision. The foreign part is good word use. The majority of US energy is not Islamic in source. Venezuela,Brazil,Mexico,Canada and our own backyard provides the majority of our energy. “… “cut off all ties with Islamic nations“. There are a number of nations that deal quite well with us. They have bilateral trade relations and have actually provided intelligence in our efforts to confront terrorism. To abolish this is just stupid.
“Build a prison in Alaska… ” Well at least you only want to imprison terrorists. The imprisonment of terrorists is a good thing.
Some history lessons:
As for the immigration,refusal etc let’s not forget our history in the case of some Jews trying to find a better life. SS St.Louis
So the fact that you and others are willing to embrace fascism in order to preserve the nation is sad,wrong and so much more. Blind mindless hate is never an answer people should champion. Zealots of any stripe tend to be a disservice to humanity.
As for the steps America can take to keep it’s citizens safe and it’s ideals intact. Fight extremism where it is with the allies that honesty provides. The extremists are a danger to all and losing sight of that is counterproductive. Energy independence is for other reasons as is the overall assurance of our national sovereignty. This is not a reason to embrace isolationism or ignorance. Asserting our sovereignty and the culture of America is key. Religious freedom does not excuse a Baptist or a Muslim from obeying the laws of the country. This is how it should be. The Constitution is a great thing when we champion the spirit of all of it. Cherry picking and misinterpreting parts of it (or words from Holy books) is not the way to live.
I don’t know if any further dialog between us could be productive. I2TF